TrentVilla Posted August 22, 2015 Moderator Share Posted August 22, 2015 I'm curious to hear the views this evening of those defending him only a few pages back. Has today changed your views at all ? Or are you still of the same view? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I'm curious to hear the views this evening of those defending him only a few pages back. Has today changed your views at all ? Or are you still of the same view? Saved the shots that were expected and was excellent claiming corners and high balls. Yes the throw out to Amavi wasn't the brightest thing to do and we know his distribution is poor. The issue we have is if we replace him with a keeper who say isn't great leaving his line (and we've had a few of those in the last 10 years Carson, Friedel and Given) we'll create panic and instability in our defence in other ways and we'd still roughly concede the same amount as we do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 22, 2015 Moderator Share Posted August 22, 2015 But people were previously saying his distribution wasn't a problem and claims it were were exaggerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) I have no idea what keeper those people are watching them as that is the weakest part of his game by a mile. Here's a thought but maybe the defence should'nt pass back to him so often, I always feel it's a bit of a cop out from players especially when there's space infront of them. Edited August 22, 2015 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 22, 2015 Moderator Share Posted August 22, 2015 I agree but then at the same time they should be able too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 If gesticulating and waving arms about was an important part of a keepers game, Guzan would be playing for a top 4 side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 He was also partly to blame for the corner just before the second Palace goal. There was no need for Bacuna to head the ball out for a corner, Guzan should've called him to leave the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Bunn will play on Tuesday, presumably. Is it possible that if he has a good game he may be in for Sunderland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I'm curious to hear the views this evening of those defending him only a few pages back. Has today changed your views at all ? Or are you still of the same view? This match changed nothing. Guzan made some good saves and collected crosses. The incident everyone is getting up in arms about is not Guzan's fault. I am fairly certain Sherwood told Guzan to play it to his defenders cause he was doing it all match. Guzan did the same ball to Bacuna earlier and Bacuna almost messed it up badly as well. Amavi and Bacuna both received the ball with time and space. Both times the nearest defender was at least 10 yards away, and both players decided to dribble instead of making the easy pass out or clearing it down the line. Guzan should not be to blame because Amavi tried to beat his man when Amavi was the last man and had other options. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midian Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I will never be convinced he is good keeper. Yes he is great coming for crosses and shot stopping but his distribution,judgement making and his general mistakes prove to me he just isnt good enough. His main downfall is his distribution he cant kick a ball to a player without slicing it,he just isnt good enough but the again is there a keeper out there we can upgrade with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 He is a good shot stopper but being a keeper is so much more than that. Kicking and general distribution are poor. Another good squad player but we really need better if we want to climb the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I can't blame him for their second. Amavi had full control of that ball and simply failed to dribble his way past the guy in front of him. Guzan does need to learn to kick the ball better though. It was pretty poor today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) He's not going to 'learn to kick the ball better' now, he's over 30. This skill is regressing, rapidly, and we're seeing that every game. Edited August 22, 2015 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrim Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I don't get the blame on Guzan for the goal. He rolled the ball to Amavi when Dann was initially backing off and about 15 yards away. Dann then changed pace and closed down amavi who should have played it away instead of trying to dribble past him. The fault is fully on Amvai for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Made some decent saves and collected crosses but once again I find myself thinking I'm not bothered if he's replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCarew Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Getting bored of this now. He isn't good enough. The "he saved a few shots" is getting boring, isn't that what a standard Premier League keeper should do. IMO, at fault for the 2nd, didn't judge the picture throwing the ball to the full back who was isolated. Should be dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Shouldn't have been beaten for that second. Still hope he is replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted August 22, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted August 22, 2015 We need to practice his throwing techniques, once he has possession, he should have options on both his left, middle or right side as soon as he has it. Practice it in training , make sure the players run into position then ensure Guzan can make the throw , practice practice, practice. Delaying the throw enables the attacking team to get back, this in turn gives them the confidence to pour forward at any opportunity knowing were going to delay hitting them back once our keeper has the ball. Guzan has all the hard parts of the game sorted , he just needs his distribution sorted, a plan for him to follow. All the best keepers have this part if the game trained into them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrim Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 We need to practice his throwing techniques, once he has possession, he should have options on both his left, middle or right side as soon as he has it. Practice it in training , make sure the players run into position then ensure Guzan can make the throw , practice practice, practice. Delaying the throw enables the attacking team to get back, this in turn gives them the confidence to pour forward at any opportunity knowing were going to delay hitting them back once our keeper has the ball. Guzan has all the hard parts of the game sorted , he just needs his distribution sorted, a plan for him to follow. All the best keepers have this part if the game trained into them . His throwing is generally fine. Normally when he takes the ball from a corner / free the first thing he does is look to make a quick throw. The problem is that we normally have everyone back for a corner so there is no one to throw the ball to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIVillan Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Just watched MOTD and felt Guzan forced Amavi under pressure as the Palace player was closing him down when guzan threw out to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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