mjmooney Posted April 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 3, 2023 9 hours ago, Marka Ragnos said: Johnny Marr's guitar playing is just on a whole different level than John Squire's. Dunno where you get that from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) The Smiths are one of those bands that I'm convinced a good chunk of people who follow them are just pretending to like them for clout. A bit like when people claim to have read books like War and Peace or Crime and Punishment. Never particularly got into the Stone Roses either tbh Edited April 3, 2023 by icouldtelltheworld 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted April 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 3, 2023 On a personal level I much prefer The Smiths over the Stone Roses. But I wouldn't like The Smiths to reform. Too much time has gone and Morrissey is a bit of a bellend. Would ruin the magic if they reformed now. Some things are better left dead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 2 hours ago, mjmooney said: Dunno where you get that from. Marr has done more stuff, wider variety, kept evolving… I find him a more interesting guitarist and more focused on the song. Squire wins the shoot out with Love Spreads. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 3, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted April 3, 2023 Marr's guitar playing got much better with all the spare time he had when he was running the cafe with Roy in Wetherfield 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 37 minutes ago, icouldtelltheworld said: The Smiths are one of those bands that I'm convinced a good chunk of people who follow them are just pretending to like them for clout. A bit like when people claim to have read books like War and Peace or Crime and Punishment. Never particularly got into the Stone Roses either tbh For the record: never liked the Smiths have read War and Peace Have read Crime and Punishment Quite like the Stone Roses, got both albums and some singles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 48 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: For the record: never liked the Smiths have read War and Peace Have read Crime and Punishment Quite like the Stone Roses, got both albums and some singles I've never liked The Smiths, have read Crime and Punishment, not read War and Peace. Never pretended to like The Smiths or to have read War and Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted April 3, 2023 Author Moderator Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2023 The Smiths are such an important band in the history of British alternative music, it doesn't matter whether you like them or not, they shifted the boundaries, they influenced generations of bands. Love him or loathe him, Morrissey has a fairly unique vocal style, Marrs guitar work influenced an entire sub-genre of Independent music for decades and in doing all that, they didn't ever sign for a major label You don't like them? It doesn't matter, they changed and influenced the British music scene as much as say Led Zep, Black Sabbath and a whole bunch of others The SMiths whether you like them or not, were a very important band. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa4europe Posted April 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, bickster said: The Smiths are such an important band in the history of British alternative music, it doesn't matter whether you like them or not, they shifted the boundaries, they influenced generations of bands. Love him or loathe him, Morrissey has a fairly unique vocal style, Marrs guitar work influenced an entire sub-genre of Independent music for decades and in doing all that, they didn't ever sign for a major label You don't like them? It doesn't matter, they changed and influenced the British music scene as much as say Led Zep, Black Sabbath and a whole bunch of others The SMiths whether you like them or not, were a very important band. Now do the beatles and oasis 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 3, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted April 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Now do the beatles and oasis They obviously back up my point that the Beatles were shite, both of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted April 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 3, 2023 2 hours ago, chrisp65 said: For the record: never liked the Smiths have read War and Peace Have read Crime and Punishment Quite like the Stone Roses, got both albums and some singles Almost an exact match with me, there. I haven't read C&P (but I have read 'The Brothers Karamazov'). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Some hot takes. Johnny Marr adds stink on every record he plays on, awful sound, awful style, dreadful. He is the anti cheese, where cheese added to almost anything improves the dish, the addition of Johnny Marr makes it all dreadful. Morrissey showed signs of bellendery way before his recent outbursts, even before his debut solo album come out, in recent years he has cared less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Name Is Death Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) I'd be gobsmacked and stupefied if Thin Lizzy were to reform now. But it would excite me. Edited April 3, 2023 by His Name Is Death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Name Is Death Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, His Name Is Death said: I'd be gobsmacked and stupefied if Thin Lizzy were to reform now. But it would excite me. This was meant to be a joke, but it did occur me that if scientists have already tried growing a woolly mammoth meatball there's no reason they couldn't (at some point) resurrect Lynott. Someone will eventually use ML to create a hologram of him, at the very least. *shudder* Edited April 3, 2023 by His Name Is Death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 3, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted April 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, Seat68 said: Johnny Marr adds stink on every record he plays on, awful sound, awful style, dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 3, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted April 3, 2023 Oh and just for the sake of versatility 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Arsehole. You bloody knew. Yes all right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, everything else etc. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 The guitar on Walk Away Renee is one of my favourites, I knew it was Johnny Marr, yet I still came out with that hot take. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted April 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, mjmooney said: Dunno where you get that from. It's on ... haha. I guess it's kind of a silly debate because they're both TOTALLY amazing guitarists, but I think Johnny Marr's songwriting creativity, his sparkling melodiousness, and above all his use of rhythm are incredible. I like his influences a lot, too, particularly James Honeyman-Scott and Bert Jansch. It's really hard to play Johnny Marr IMO. I'm not saying John Squire's easy, but I find it a lot more riff-oriented and repetitive, sort of Jimmy Page-like. Johnny Marr parts are so easy to **** up on because the rhythms are unforgiving, so maybe it seems to have more mystique for me. Still, I love Squire's psychedelia and tone-painting approach to effects. Waterfall is mesmerizing. Still, watch this. Damn. Getting that wrist movement just right is so hard! And all those jazzy blue notes and 7s and 9s???? How can England make this guitarist? What are they putting in the chip shop gravy? I still don't get that. Jesus. Stunning, Edited April 3, 2023 by Marka Ragnos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 I love The Smiths, but I can very much understand why people wouldn’t, especially Morrissey. This is really about being able to separate the art from the artist, but I find it hard to listen to them now with Morrissey evolving in to a massive arsehole. But meh, I guess he always was. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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