PIW Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Whilst Hutton hasnt been brilliant by any means, I find it odd and sad how the tackle he put in on Long is getting so much attention. The laws of the game have changed and some refs may have got a yellow out and some over the top refs may have got a red out. But my point is that I remember when the crowd used to love a player going in hard and committed like that. It was risky with the modern laws of the game but to me it was just a very good hard tackle and just because he isnt flavour of the month he is getting abuse for it. Its a shame the game doesnt have more players that will go in for a crunching tackle rather than be afraid they may mess their hair up. Just read this, and totally agree. If Martin Laursen had of done that we'd still be giving applause now for his commitment. Sort of. laursen would have been applauded because he had already racked up so many brownie points that a bad challeneg can be overlooked and turned into a good one in the fan's eyes. Whichever way you look at uit it was a poor challenge. An old fashioned one where a defender goes througha forward. The sort iof challenege that used to break bones and put players out for a long time. That's why it was outlawed. It was a very poor challenege. i'm not sure about it beuing a red. In Europe it would have been. A yellow here. But if a red was given I would have been peed off but recognise that it was a 50-50 decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarrieBlue Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 No way it was a sending off; he got the ball first. It was a yellow for the recklessness and danger of the tackle. Nothing more. That said, he looked woeful. He needs to work on his final ball as he usually gets into good positions bombing forward from the back. I don't think it was even a foul. The ball was loose and nearer to Hutton who played the ball in midair onto the oncoming Long whose momentum caused him to flip over, and the ball went out for our throw. Hodgson then decided to make it the focal point of his post match interview to deflect any debate on the ridiculous Herd sending off and Olsen's part in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Whilst Hutton hasnt been brilliant by any means, I find it odd and sad how the tackle he put in on Long is getting so much attention. The laws of the game have changed and some refs may have got a yellow out and some over the top refs may have got a red out. But my point is that I remember when the crowd used to love a player going in hard and committed like that. It was risky with the modern laws of the game but to me it was just a very good hard tackle and just because he isnt flavour of the month he is getting abuse for it. Its a shame the game doesnt have more players that will go in for a crunching tackle rather than be afraid they may mess their hair up. Just read this, and totally agree. If Martin Laursen had of done that we'd still be giving applause now for his commitment. from what i saw whitehead did the same thing to arteta yesterday too but arteta jumped out the way and avoided injury, it would be interesting to see the opinion of that tackle if long hadnt been injured or if we hadnt had one of the worst red cards i for one have ever seen its a bit of a witch hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 big clubs like spurs don't get rid of quality players, unless their hand is forced i.e. a huge bid comes in, that's why they sold hutton, he is an average player at best Kevin-Prince Boateng? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 for my sins i just picked up the sun lying round in my office, 75% of their matchday report including photos and interviews is on the tackle, herds red card is a full one sentence the mind boggles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Early days, but they might have wanted to hold onto Tomáš Pekhart too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papillon Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Whilst Hutton hasnt been brilliant by any means, I find it odd and sad how the tackle he put in on Long is getting so much attention. The laws of the game have changed and some refs may have got a yellow out and some over the top refs may have got a red out. But my point is that I remember when the crowd used to love a player going in hard and committed like that. It was risky with the modern laws of the game but to me it was just a very good hard tackle and just because he isnt flavour of the month he is getting abuse for it. Its a shame the game doesnt have more players that will go in for a crunching tackle rather than be afraid they may mess their hair up. Says all about your and your understanding really. The tackle was mistimed, aggressive and offensive. It warranted a red card, however the referee did not even give a yellow because he did not see it properly. That was Hutton's comfort all day. but to me it was just a very good hard tackle and just because he isnt flavour of the month he is getting abuse for it. Its a shame the game doesnt have more players that will go in for a crunching tackle rather than be afraid they may mess their hair up. **** ignorant stuff you are coming up with here. If that was a good tackle, I wonder what you call harsh and over the top. With tackles like that being allowed there would be broken legs all over the pitch and the "tough" guys a la Barton and Henry would win over Nani, Nasri and Silva. No matter what you might think, the tackle was ugly and the only right outcome was a straight red card. We were lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarrieBlue Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 No matter what you might think, the tackle was ugly and the only right outcome was a straight red card. We were lucky. In your very, very, very humble opinion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Says all about your and your understanding really. The tackle was mistimed, aggressive and offensive. It warranted a red card, however the referee did not even give a yellow because he did not see it properly. That was Hutton's comfort all day. but to me it was just a very good hard tackle and just because he isnt flavour of the month he is getting abuse for it. Its a shame the game doesnt have more players that will go in for a crunching tackle rather than be afraid they may mess their hair up. **** ignorant stuff you are coming up with here. If that was a good tackle, I wonder what you call harsh and over the top. With tackles like that being allowed there would be broken legs all over the pitch and the "tough" guys a la Barton and Henry would win over Nani, Nasri and Silva. No matter what you might think, the tackle was ugly and the only right outcome was a straight red card. We were lucky. Wow Thanks for clearing that up then, i forgot you are the only person on here who can be right. As an aside I think Aston Villa have a netball team if you want to start watching a non contact sport. Oh and what does "says all about your and your understanding really" mean? I'm sure it makes sense and you are probably right but as i'm ignorant can you explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 24, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted October 24, 2011 You can't make a tackle like that anymore. Don't get me wrong, I loved it, I've nothing against Long so didn't enjoy it for that, but more that that's the kind of thing that the crowd always used to love in a defender, gets you on your feet. But the game today isn't going to stand for that kind of tackle week in week out, it was aggressive and dangerous. He was lucky to stay on. I think thats the first thing I've seen Hutton do that I've liked. Typically it's something that in any other game would have seen him walk... figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I think initial reactions count for a lot in football, and having been sat in the lower holte, towards that end of the pitch, I'd have been very surprised to have seen him walk for that. Don't think it was a red any more than Herd's was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 but its the kind of tackle that happens 5/6 times a weekend in the prem but only draws attention when someone gets injured, case in point de jong on ben arfa which iirc wasnt given as a foul either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papillon Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Oh and what does "says all about your and your understanding really" mean? I'm sure it makes sense and you are probably right but as i'm ignorant can you explain? Your understanding of the game of football, since you clearly encourage the use of challenges like that. As an aside I think Aston Villa have a netball team if you want to start watching a non contact sport. Lame attempt man, seriously. And also incredibly predictable. I have nothing against a hard and fair tackle, but there is a fine line. There is a reason why you very seldom see Terry, Rio, Vidic and Kompany (no pun intended) do stuff like that. It happens of course, but they usually get red-carded when they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarrieBlue Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Oh and what does "says all about your and your understanding really" mean? I'm sure it makes sense and you are probably right but as i'm ignorant can you explain? Your understanding of the game of football, since you clearly encourage the use of challenges like that. As an aside I think Aston Villa have a netball team if you want to start watching a non contact sport. Lame attempt man, seriously. And also incredibly predictable. I have nothing against a hard and fair tackle, but there is a fine line. There is a reason why you very seldom see Terry, Rio, Vidic and Kompany (no pun intended) do stuff like that. It happens of course, but they usually get red-carded when they do. You mean like Vidic's challenge on Wednesday night, chest high with no ball in sight. The difference with Hutton's challenge is that Long was not in possession of the ball, it was closer to Hutton and moving towards him. He played the ball full on and it rebounded off Long whose momentum forced him into Hutton and he flipped over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Oh and what does "says all about your and your understanding really" mean? I'm sure it makes sense and you are probably right but as i'm ignorant can you explain? Your understanding of the game of football, since you clearly encourage the use of challenges like that. Well there are a lot of people around who obviously dont undertsand much about football then but at least you are around to clear it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 big clubs like spurs don't get rid of quality players, unless their hand is forced i.e. a huge bid comes in, that's why they sold hutton, he is an average player at best Kevin-Prince Boateng? you've got me there gareth, i bow to your superior knowledge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 He is a doubt for this weekends game.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 you've got me there gareth, i bow to your superior knowledge! You may rise, subject. At the end of the day, every team in the world has - at some point - flogged a player that hasn't been working out and that player's gone on to bigger, better things. We're not in an exclusive club here (though the shit we've been through season after season certainly makes it feel that way at times ). Besides, there's no guarantee that player A remaining at club A instead of moving to club B would have had the same level of development. Shit just plain ol' don't work out some times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 very true gareth good post, delighted that hutton's a doubt for sunderland, just a shame that we might see beye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 just a shame that we might see beye Well if Hutton is out, your options are: •Beye •Lichaj •Cuéllar •Herd Dilemma time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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