The Arab Spring and "the War on Terror"

[tonyh29]

ISIS needs to be stopped ASAP...NATO must step in now, they are lining up massacre after massacre.

The world cannot just sit and watch this happening.

It's pretty small scale compared with what the US has managed in recent years. Which is not to defend it, before you ask.

How about tackling the Saudis? Like, kill the snake at the head? Any interest in that?

They do that and we'll be riding our bikes to work.

As a Green member, I can only say, "carry on!". Or " bring it on" (tiresome US expression).

Presume you typed this on your solar panel laptop

[Ikantcpell]

 

 

 

ISIS needs to be stopped ASAP...NATO must step in now, they are lining up massacre after massacre.

 

The world cannot just sit and watch this happening.

It's pretty small scale compared with what the US has managed in recent years. Which is not to defend it, before you ask.

How about tackling the Saudis? Like, kill the snake at the head? Any interest in that?

Okey...So you are saying that it's Saud Arabia that is behind all this mess ?

 

Ive heard it before that it is bored princes from saud arabia that is funding all the terror in the world..but i have not seen any evidence of it, yet..

 

 

So you want the U.S to invade saud arabia and try bring democracy to another Islamic hell hole..good luck with that.

So, I'm not suggesting the US invade Saudi. They are so linked, the idea is unbelievable.

I guess you don't know that, from your posts?

 

 

I know that the U.S and saud arabia are close friends..U.S has a huge military base there (and that was one of the things that Usama  bin laden was so pissed off about)

 

U.S buys alot of oil from them and makes them even richer..So what are the saudis purpose with funding terrorists ?

[maqroll]

 

 

ISIS needs to be stopped ASAP...NATO must step in now, they are lining up massacre after massacre.

The world cannot just sit and watch this happening.

It's pretty small scale compared with what the US has managed in recent years. Which is not to defend it, before you ask.

How about tackling the Saudis? Like, kill the snake at the head? Any interest in that?

They do that and we'll be riding our bikes to work.

 

And farting on each other to keep warm

[peterms]

ISIS needs to be stopped ASAP...NATO must step in now, they are lining up massacre after massacre.

 

The world cannot just sit and watch this happening.

It's pretty small scale compared with what the US has managed in recent years. Which is not to defend it, before you ask.

How about tackling the Saudis? Like, kill the snake at the head? Any interest in that?

Okey...So you are saying that it's Saud Arabia that is behind all this mess ?

 

Ive heard it before that it is bored princes from saud arabia that is funding all the terror in the world..but i have not seen any evidence of it, yet..

 

 

So you want the U.S to invade saud arabia and try bring democracy to another Islamic hell hole..good luck with that.

So, I'm not suggesting the US invade Saudi. They are so linked, the idea is unbelievable.

I guess you don't know that, from your posts?

 

I know that the U.S and saud arabia are close friends..U.S has a huge military base there (and that was one of the things that Usama  bin laden was so pissed off about)

 

U.S buys alot of oil from them and makes them even richer..So what are the saudis purpose with funding terrorists ?

To promote Wahaabiism.

To destabilise alternative regional centres of power.

To deflect aggressive religious zealots from attacking Saudi.

To keep the oil deals sweet.

[maqroll]

 

 

 

ISIS needs to be stopped ASAP...NATO must step in now, they are lining up massacre after massacre.

The world cannot just sit and watch this happening.

It's pretty small scale compared with what the US has managed in recent years. Which is not to defend it, before you ask.

How about tackling the Saudis? Like, kill the snake at the head? Any interest in that?

They do that and we'll be riding our bikes to work.

As a Green member, I can only say, "carry on!". Or " bring it on" (tiresome US expression).

 

If it's so tiresome, why use it? 

[peterms]

ISIS needs to be stopped ASAP...NATO must step in now, they are lining up massacre after massacre.

The world cannot just sit and watch this happening.

It's pretty small scale compared with what the US has managed in recent years. Which is not to defend it, before you ask.

How about tackling the Saudis? Like, kill the snake at the head? Any interest in that?

They do that and we'll be riding our bikes to work.

As a Green member, I can only say, "carry on!". Or " bring it on" (tiresome US expression).

Presume you typed this on your solar panel laptop

Actually I set it in print in recycled hotprint letters, using wax personally gathered from individually cultivated beehives, in the light of our ever regenerating mother moon.

[peterms]

ISIS needs to be stopped ASAP...NATO must step in now, they are lining up massacre after massacre.

The world cannot just sit and watch this happening.

It's pretty small scale compared with what the US has managed in recent years. Which is not to defend it, before you ask.

How about tackling the Saudis? Like, kill the snake at the head? Any interest in that?

They do that and we'll be riding our bikes to work.

As a Green member, I can only say, "carry on!". Or " bring it on" (tiresome US expression).

If it's so tiresome, why use it? 

I don't, except as translations for the furriners.

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Another day and the head count keeps rising;

 

 

ISIS has posted video of the execution of a captured Kurdish fighter, in a warning to Iraqi Kurdish leaders to end military cooperation with Washington, a monitoring group said.

 

 

 

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Aug-29/268915-jihadists-behead-iraq-kurdish-fighter-monitor.ashx#axzz3BaGvh8TY

Edited August 29, 2014 by Ads

[Awol]

ISIS needs to be stopped ASAP...NATO must step in now, they are lining up massacre after massacre.

The world cannot just sit and watch this happening.

It's pretty small scale compared with what the US has managed in recent years. Which is not to defend it, before you ask.

How about tackling the Saudis? Like, kill the snake at the head? Any interest in that?

Okey...So you are saying that it's Saud Arabia that is behind all this mess ?

Ive heard it before that it is bored princes from saud arabia that is funding all the terror in the world..but i have not seen any evidence of it, yet..

So you want the U.S to invade saud arabia and try bring democracy to another Islamic hell hole..good luck with that.

So, I'm not suggesting the US invade Saudi. They are so linked, the idea is unbelievable.

I guess you don't know that, from your posts?

I know that the U.S and saud arabia are close friends..U.S has a huge military base there (and that was one of the things that Usama bin laden was so pissed off about)

U.S buys alot of oil from them and makes them even richer..So what are the saudis purpose with funding terrorists ?

The US military left Saudi and moved to Qatar in 2003 after we invaded Iraq and the Royals said they were no longer welcome.

Saudi is not stable at all. When the current king dies (and he's a very ill man) it could, IMHO, go Pete Tong in short order and they face multiple external and internal threats.

AQAP in Yemen have killed lots of Saudi border guards recently and to call that boundary porous is the under statement of the century - I've accidentally crossed it before without even realizing for about 2 hours!

They have the ISIS threat to the north (far removed from their pet AQ hoods), the Shia Houthi rebels in northern Yemen, an internal slow burning Shia problem in eastern Saudi (where most of the oil is), a restive population and western allies who are making warm overtures to their arch enemy Iran. Not a great scenario for them.

On Israel, the Nusra Front (official AQ in Syria) have taken the Syrian side of the border crossing with Israel in the Golan Heights so are now face to face with the Jewish state.

[Awol]

UK terror threat raised to "severe". I suspect we are about to join the air campaign against IS in northern Iraq - and not before time. Safe flying fellas.

[peterms]

I think of it as the Theresa May threat level.

[Rugeley Villa]

 

There isn't a facepalm picture violent enough to convey my emotional response to some of these posts.

Ha which ones?

 

my post of course, as ive said its just my opinion and i think a lot of normal honest folk would agree with me. there will be more terrorist attacks but thats not what im on about. i think in many years to come radical islamists will be in government positions all around the world especially in europe and it will start from there. already large parts of cities and towns across europe are already being turned into mainly muslim only areas. sorry if i offend anyone on here and ive not got any problem with your normal peace loving muslim but there is a big problem in the islamic faith and its getting worse, i know there are problems with other faiths as well but no other faith threatens the world like radical islam does imo.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Rugeley Villa

[Rugeley Villa]

 

Not trying to troll you Rugeley, but personally I get an awful lot more grief where I live and in my job from people off their tits on drugs and booze 4 or 5 nights of every week.

That will teach you to move next door to Rugeley

 

the only problem chrisp65 would have with me is that i play my horrible music way to loud 

[chrisp65]

 

 

Not trying to troll you Rugeley, but personally I get an awful lot more grief where I live and in my job from people off their tits on drugs and booze 4 or 5 nights of every week.

That will teach you to move next door to Rugeley

 

the only problem chrisp65 would have with me is that i play my horrible music way to loud 

 

 

Rainbow and Nazareth I seem to recall having a soft spot for when I was a kid.

I must have a couple of Nazareth albums up in the attic and a few days ago I found an old Motorhead / Girlschool cassette single! I would give them to you, I really would (my roof needs work).

 

Of course, I'm far too hipster for that stuff now, I'm all about Johnny Cash and late cheesey Vegas Elvis today, uh hu hu.

 

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You need to worry a bit more about the Chinese though, they've bought more of Africa than ISIS could ever dream of driving around in a stolen Nissan Navara. 

[Rugeley Villa]

 

 

 

Not trying to troll you Rugeley, but personally I get an awful lot more grief where I live and in my job from people off their tits on drugs and booze 4 or 5 nights of every week.

That will teach you to move next door to Rugeley

 

the only problem chrisp65 would have with me is that i play my horrible music way to loud 

 

 

Rainbow and Nazareth I seem to recall having a soft spot for when I was a kid.

I must have a couple of Nazareth albums up in the attic and a few days ago I found an old Motorhead / Girlschool cassette single! I would give them to you, I really would (my roof needs work).

 

Of course, I'm far too hipster for that stuff now, I'm all about Johnny Cash and late cheesey Vegas Elvis today, uh hu hu.

 

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You need to worry a bit more about the Chinese though, they've bought more of Africa than ISIS could ever dream of driving around in a stolen Nissan Navara. 

 

love early rainbow but nazareth i dont like and motorhead after one song ive had enough. i just think this whole islamic threat gets played down but i really hope im wrong about it.

[blandy]

I think of it as the Theresa May threat level.

Me, too. Though to be fair it does having meaning and effect beyond arse covering or stoking fears in voters in a way politicians like, to rush through stuff, or make them look like they're doing something.

 

The worst example was that Heathrow airport thing under labour. But anyway, places will be more vigilant - the police, military bases, airports etc.

 

Which unfortunately seems like it is a sensible move for more than political reasons.

[OutByEaster?]

The manufacturing of consent - create a villain - like Saddam Hussein - raise the level of unease - maybe by sending a leaflet to every home in the UK warning them about the threat of terrorism - then have whatever war profit demands. 

 

Now I know this sounds crazy, and I realise it puts me in the tinfoil on the head corner, but if you were going to manufacture consent for a war to ensure and maintain control of valuable energy resources in the middle east and put an end to the currently unstable nature of the region - you'd need a really bad villain (and it'd be helpful if you have one that wasn't an individual, because catching him becomes an issue - do it and you've got no villain, don't and you look weak) - and then you'd need a little unease.

 

IS are portrayed as the big bad wolf - no political representation, no real religious statement, they're just a black cloud of evil, murderous, nasty and coming to get you, in the media, they're represented in much the same way as Sauron's army of darkness; be afraid, be very afraid - and if you're not, then Teresa May makes sure you know you should be afraid even though you're at home, and as a result, the posts in this thread (which are vaguely representative of the common viewpoint I think) become about going in there and sorting it out, fighting evil, defending our children and all of that.

 

I'm not sure I believe in monsters, I'm pretty sure that there are a fair few groups in the middle east who are both capable of and are carrying out some pretty nasty acts, but I also think we're being prepped for war and not necessarily a war based on moral misgivings. There are two superpowers in the world, the USA and public opinion, and the first battle the US has before entering into a preventative war is with public opinion - it's almost won.

 

.....and I know I sound like a nutter, but this is nagging at me. It bugs me that there's something almost too perfect about IS in the role of the bad guy and the way this is playing out. Presumably I'm a paranoid nut job (which would actually explain a number of things).

[Rugeley Villa]

it has crossed my mind that the US have something to do with IS in the sense that i think there is an agenda of some sort, something dont seem right to me about the whole thing. infact i think at some higher level in the american government they are pro radical islam in the sense that they want it to snowball to suit their agenda.

[Awol]

IS are portrayed as the big bad wolf - no political representation, no real religious statement, they're just a black cloud of evil, murderous, nasty and coming to get you, in the media, they're represented in much the same way as Sauron's army...

They have both political and religious representation, he's called Caliph Al Baghdadi. They are not just swanning around "being evil" (although they undoubtedly are evil), they are state building, carving out a new country that knows no boundaries by using extreme violence, just the way Islam was spread in the beginning. That is what they are trying to recreate and you are incredulous because it is so alien to your value system - but it's very real and very ugly.

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IS have a very distinct religious and political position; they've based their Caliphate on those that followed Mohammed and have therefore separated themselves from Saudi control and Wahhabism as a consequence.

As AWOL said, they're a very real entity and if left too long will become more of a Third World enterprise than marauding terrorist band. It will need ground forces to dig them out and push them back. There also needs to be another Sunni awakening from local tribesmen to keep them out. They may have seen IS as a lesser evil than Maliki's sectarian government, but then IS see the tribesmen as a means to an end too. Heads will roll.

Search the web, check out the ME press, watch some videos if you have the stomach. Saudi's Frankenstein has many other hands in it's creation, but it's very real.