omariqy Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y58njT2oXfE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tonyh29 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 We should take weapons from the lot of them, and rule them like they need to be ruled. It's like watching two little brothers, they'll keep going and going until intervention is deployed. Threaten them with tactical strikes should anyone kill each other. Because our intervention always solves issues like these. The British must take a lot of the blame. WW1 T E Lawrence persuaded the Arabs to fight the Turks on the promise of independence. 1917 Balfour made his declaration that the British government were in favour of a Jewish homeland being established in Palestine. With the Ottoman Empire destroyed the British took over Palestine and reneged on their promises to the Arabs. 1922 the British Mandate for Palestine was confirmed by the League of Nations. 1946 Jewish terrorists (Irgun) blew up the King David hotel, killing 91 (part of British headquarters) 1947 Palestine is partitioned against Arab wishes - the attacks and atrocities begin. The British evacuation. The mandate ran out 1948, Ben-Gurion declares Israel state. 1948 War between Israel and Arab states. 700 000 Palestinian Arabs flee or leave Israeli held areas. 1949 armistice. So yes, it looks like the British made a cock of it and then left. all you need to do now is blame it on Thatcher and you have a full house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 That video is awful. No facts, figures or evidence to support Israel. Just opinion and conjecture. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Protesting together since 1973 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 why does the one on the left get younger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Gaza Writes Back @ThisIsGaZa 1m Bodies of 4 kids of Backer family show mutilated/burnt bodies. They show hos israel used shrapnel to maximise deaths pic.twitter.com/gNQ4w29Zvu Witness to a shelling: first-hand account of deadly strike on Gaza port There is a deafening explosion, then a second. Four children are dead. Four survivors reach the safety of our hotel Share 481 inShare0 Email Peter Beaumont in Gaza theguardian.com, Wednesday 16 July 2014 16.02 BST Palestinian employees of al-Deira hotel carry a wounded boy following an Israeli military strike on the beach in Gaza. Photograph: Thomas Coex/AFP/Getty Images The retaining wall of Gaza's harbour sticks out into the Mediterranean about 100 metres from the terrace of al-Deira hotel, base to many of the journalists covering the conflict in Gaza. The first of the artillery shells came in a little after 4pm on Wednesday as I was writing on the hotel's terrace. There is a deafening explosion as it hits a structure on the pier, a place we have seen hit before, where fishermen usually store their nets. Behind the smoke, I see four figures running, silhouettes whose legs are pumping raggedly. They clear the smoke. From their size it is clear they are a man and three young boys. Where the harbour wall ends and the beach starts, there are a few brightly coloured tents and chairs for beach users in more peaceful times. The four figures jump on to the beach and begin running towards us and the safety of the hotel. Only afterwards do we discover there are four others who are dead, all children, lying on the wall. I am shown a picture of one of the dead boys, his skin scorched and bruised. Their names are released later: Ahed Bakr, aged 10; Zakaria, 10; and two other boys from the Bakr family, both named Mohammad, aged 11 and nine. The second shell catches the survivors as they reach the brightly coloured tents. As it explodes, my colleagues, now standing by the terrace wall, shout at unseen Israeli gunners who can't hear them: "They are only children." The man makes it to the terrace first, scrambling up a steep sandy bank. A skinny man in his 30s, he groans and holds up a T-shirt already staining red with blood where he has been hit in the stomach. He faints, and as he grows pale and limp he is carried to a taxi waved down in the street. The children are brought up next. Pulling up the T-shirt of the first boy, who looks about eight years old, we find a shrapnel hole, small and round as a pencil head, where he has been hit in the chest over the second rib. Another boy, a brother or cousin, who is uninjured, slumps by the wall of the terrace, weeping by his side. The boy cries in pain as we clean and dress the wound, wrapping a field dressing around his chest, pressing to staunch the bleeding. He winces in pain, and he is clearly embarrassed too as a colleague checks his shorts to look for unseen femoral bleeding. A waiter grabs a table cloth to use as a stretcher, but a photographer takes the boy in his arms to carry him to the ambulance that has arrived. Other colleagues work on the final surviving casualty, an older boy. His arms are scuffed, and a bandage around his head barely staunches a head wound. He too is quickly carried to the ambulance. In less than 10 minutes it is over. Even the smoke on the pier has died away, save for a last few drifting wisps. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/16/witness-gaza-shelling-first-hand-account?CMP=twt_gu Targeted attacks my arse. Damn you Israel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 They routinely attack fishermen as part of the strategy to create economic collapse. It happens in times of "peace" as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted July 16, 2014 Moderator Share Posted July 16, 2014 They routinely attack fishermen as part of the strategy to create economic collapse. It happens in times of "peace" as well. You see if they stopped trying to feed themselves and just focussed on making the coast pretty for tourists they would be okay. (as long as the tourists avoid the shells the Israeli's are firing that land on the beach obviously) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikantcpell Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 That video is awful. No facts, figures or evidence to support Israel. Just opinion and conjecture. Maybe you like this one better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) Things must be serious: they've brought out the Regev (C4 news)! Edited July 16, 2014 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted July 17, 2014 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2014 A new ceasefire... peace at last (unless its been broken again by the time I finished posting) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Amongst too much I don't understand is why the media never interview Hamas and only the Israelis? Cynically, I find myself assuming that if they allowed Hamas to make a statement, the Palestinians might lose sympathy. Any more reasonable suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Amongst too much I don't understand is why the media never interview Hamas and only the Israelis? Cynically, I find myself assuming that if they allowed Hamas to make a statement, the Palestinians might lose sympathy. Any more reasonable suggestions? Presumably because they "Hamas" are demmed a terrorist organisation by the US and EU and thus the media don't' wish to be seen as mouth piece for terrorist , at least not non-Israeli terrorists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Amongst too much I don't understand is why the media never interview Hamas and only the Israelis? Cynically, I find myself assuming that if they allowed Hamas to make a statement, the Palestinians might lose sympathy. Any more reasonable suggestions? Presumably because they "Hamas" are demmed a terrorist organisation by the US and EU and thus the media don't' wish to be seen as mouth piece for terrorist , at least not non-Israeli terrorists I believe in the 1970's and 1980's Sinn Fein were only allowed to have a say on the news if they inhaled helium from a balloon first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Amongst too much I don't understand is why the media never interview Hamas and only the Israelis? Cynically, I find myself assuming that if they allowed Hamas to make a statement, the Palestinians might lose sympathy. Any more reasonable suggestions? Presumably because they "Hamas" are demmed a terrorist organisation by the US and EU and thus the media don't' wish to be seen as mouth piece for terrorist , at least not non-Israeli terrorists I believe in the 1970's and 1980's Sinn Fein were only allowed to have a say on the news if they inhaled helium from a balloon first. tbh anything that gets the Irish accent of the TV is a good thing but wasn't the ban brought about by Douglas Herd so more likley to have been mid to late 80's to the 90's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOUeauLWEaE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Israel have just invaded Gaza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted July 17, 2014 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2014 Israel have just invaded Gaza. Yep. Another sensible, moderate and entirely proportionate reaction from them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 17, 2014 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2014 The only solution to this problem will be when one side ceases to exist or both sides change into something new. There's no will for either side to give up their idiocy, so I suspect that in a decade there will only be Israel and a whole lot of displaced people looking for a place to settle after a sustained campaign to remove them from the world. Sound familiar doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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