TrentVilla Posted November 8, 2016 Moderator Share Posted November 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, Brumerican said: What happened then ? I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed. "Some day soon don't know where or when You're gonna wake up and see the light...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 I'm actually reading a book on Isis at the moment. Not one of those propaganda books either, it's a good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 8, 2016 Moderator Share Posted November 8, 2016 21 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Do you ever think they will establish a proper caliphate? And a successful one at that, whether it be global or regional. Hard to see it ever happening. I guess in a way the disintegration of Iraq and Syria was the opportunity had it been done very differently, with a lot less exection, rape, slavery, ethnic cleansing and beheading. A Caliphate not born out of Waabism but with its routes in the real pilars of Islam may have worked. But you know how the west loves a piper democracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 1 hour ago, TrentVilla said: I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed. "Some day soon don't know where or when You're gonna wake up and see the light...." I fear we have vastly opposing views on that album . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 8, 2016 Moderator Share Posted November 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, Brumerican said: I fear we have vastly opposing views on that album . No I love it as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Awol said: I managed it in mid 90's, they're going nowhere - ISIS or not! While we're shooting the breeze I think ISIS as we've known them since 2014 is on the way out, because they will lose physical control of the 'Caliphate'. But.. ISIS is the latest evolution of a belief system that existed long before them and will inevitably emerge again as a global 3.0 version. I'd also bet that the eventual death of Baghdadi will clear the decks for a reunification of AQ and ISIS, plus whatever new strains emerge with Iran. post-the ISIS sectarian mess their 'fall' will precipitate in the broader communities. ... with Iran, you mean due to reacting to whatever Iran are doing to murder their Terrorist asses? Please remember folks that the US/UK are officially on the same side as AQ in Syria... yes allied with Al-Qaeda, or maybe those conspiracy types have it right.. Al CIA-da. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 1 hour ago, TrentVilla said: Hard to see it ever happening. I guess in a way the disintegration of Iraq and Syria was the opportunity had it been done very differently, with a lot less exection, rape, slavery, ethnic cleansing and beheading. A Caliphate not born out of Waabism but with its routes in the real pilars of Islam may have worked. But you know how the west loves a piper democracy! A middle east version of the E.U. is entirely possible and may be the best way of getting some semblance of sense in this part of the world... now, they might call that a caliphate, which of course would be a completely different entity to the E.U. Maybe the USA/China would be more comparable to an actual Caliphate as a federal construction. Can't see it happening in the short term though, 5-15 yrs out, hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted November 8, 2016 Moderator Share Posted November 8, 2016 34 minutes ago, villakram said: A middle east version of the E.U. is entirely possible and may be the best way of getting some semblance of sense in this part of the world. Wasn't that Gaddafi's idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: Wasn't that Gaddafi's idea? ya, or something along those lines but most crucially he also wanted it to use a gold backed currency (or something non-dollar) as the official currency, and the petro-dollar would not oblige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 8 hours ago, TrentVilla said: Hard to see it ever happening. I guess in a way the disintegration of Iraq and Syria was the opportunity had it been done very differently, with a lot less exection, rape, slavery, ethnic cleansing and beheading. A Caliphate not born out of Waabism but with its routes in the real pilars of Islam may have worked. But you know how the west loves a piper democracy! Yeah I definitely thinks they balls it up in the sense that they were way too violent and oppressive. But I suppose in their minds that's the way it had to be.would of been interesting to see how things would of went if they had followed a more peaceful path. Personally I can't see it happening myself as for starters there is just too much in fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I have to admit I'm thoroughly confused by what's going on in Syria. Seems like the narrative in the media is shifting away from Assad being a butcher to the US-UK-KSA working in conjunction with ISIS to oust Assad and get a pipeline built. I dunno what to think anymore, help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 3 hours ago, maqroll said: I have to admit I'm thoroughly confused by what's going on in Syria. Seems like the narrative in the media is shifting away from Assad being a butcher to the US-UK-KSA working in conjunction with ISIS to oust Assad and get a pipeline built. I dunno what to think anymore, help Everyone is lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 On 09/11/2016 at 02:39, villakram said: ... with Iran, you mean due to reacting to whatever Iran are doing to murder their Terrorist asses? Iranian backed and led militias are murdering, raping and torturing their way through the civilian population in 'liberated' Sunni areas of Iraq. Different tie, same suit. Wild sectarianism is one of the reasons why there will be no resolution to this mess, you're either a wolf or a sheep. It's brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 On 7/11/2016 at 04:11, StefanAVFC said: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins Have a read. How ridiculous. So how do they paste over the holes in this " theory"? Such as, as soon as they have sex with one of these gigantic virgins, what happens to them now that they are not a virgin anymore? Are they reincarnated back on Earth, or go to a celestial virgin recycling plant, or are just passed off as a hand me down to lesser muslims? What possible motivation, what dangling carrot, is there for any woman to pursue this faith? It would be funny if it is true, but it was slightly misinterpreted. Idiot blows self up, and goes to Islamaheaven and receives his 72 virgins. Unfortunately, it is 72 30 something year old guys that still live with their parents and play Minecraft all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V01 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) Who wants a virgin really, give me 72 dirty slappers instead. Edited December 19, 2016 by V01 Words 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 11 hours ago, Awol said: Iranian backed and led militias are murdering, raping and torturing their way through the civilian population in 'liberated' Sunni areas of Iraq. Different tie, same suit. Wild sectarianism is one of the reasons why there will be no resolution to this mess, you're either a wolf or a sheep. It's brutal. I would say, it's more like same underpants, but one side wears them back to front. It's so similar to what went on in Europe a few hundred yrs back, just with those extra 100 yrs of tech and all those "productivity" gains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 On 30/11/2014 at 17:38, Awol said: Surprised there has been no post yet about the acquittal of Hosni Mubarak yesterday on the charges of murder relating to the protesters killed in Tahrir Square. And now, Egypt's Hosni Mubarak freed after six years in detention: Quote Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been freed from detention, six years after being overthrown. Mr Mubarak left a military hospital in southern Cairo and went to his home in the northern suburb of Heliopolis, his lawyer said. He was ordered freed earlier this month after Egypt's top appeals court cleared him over the deaths of protesters in the 2011 uprising. Mr Mubarak, 88, became president in 1981 after Anwar Sadat's assassination. He had been at Maadi Military Hospital since 2013, when he was transferred there on bail from Torah prison. Mr Mubarak was sentenced to life in prison after being convicted in 2012 of complicity in the killing of protesters who died at the hands of security forces in February, 2011. Another trial was held and a judge decreed in May 2015 that Mr Mubarak could be released from detention. However, the government of President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi was reportedly reluctant to free him because of the public backlash that might accompany such a move. Mr Sisi served as Mr Mubarak's military intelligence chief and led the military's overthrow of his democratically elected successor, Mohammed Morsi, in 2013. In all, more than 800 people are believed to have been killed as security forces clashed with protesters in Cairo, Alexandria, Suez and other cities around Egypt during the 18-day uprising that forced Mr Mubarak to resign. He appears remarkably well - perhaps the skepticism about his illness during the trial was well-founded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted March 24, 2017 Administrator Share Posted March 24, 2017 33 minutes ago, snowychap said: He appears remarkably well - perhaps the skepticism about his illness during the trial was well-founded. If you are able assess someone's health by looking at a picture of them, then you're going to revolutionise science. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, limpid said: If you are able assess someone's health by looking at a picture of them, then you're going to revolutionise science. What are you seeking to achieve with this post? I said (you quoted it): Quote He appears remarkably well Edited March 24, 2017 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 I read it and chuckled , I liked the dry wit , you've read it and appear to have seen some offence .. I seriously doubt any was intended but that's just my opinion seen through Tonyrama chuckle vision tinted glasses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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