sidcow Posted October 22, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Farlz said: I expect it's going to be quite tough for Elphick to regain his spot. Baker looked excellent today alongside Chester, they compliment each other very well. The chuckle Brothers seems a long time ago now doesn't it! He's certainly taken his chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knoppy1987 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 MOM for me today. Commanding and his head seemed to be on everything. Well played Nathan! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Maybe he's already benefitting for having a manager who was a top defender himself? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just now, villarocker said: Maybe he's already benefitting for having a manager who was a top defender himself? It's been a while since we had a manager who could set up a defence, so it's no surprise that we've had a number of defenders who have looked awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: Yeah I don't think Baker's problem has ever been a lack of a ability, more never being fit. I think his rashness has been a big factor in him not being that good previously. He seems calmer now and, at Championship level, comfortable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 25 minutes ago, bobzy said: I think his rashness has been a big factor in him not being that good previously. He seems calmer now and, at Championship level, comfortable. Possibly being managed better too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2016 22 minutes ago, DK82 said: Possibly being managed better too. He has never been shite as many have tried to say, he has mostly been unfit, part of an overall shite team, or a scapegoat. The same way Clark has never actually been as shite as alot on here say either. Same could be said for alot of players. Lose next week and watch him be "The worst player to ever wear the shirt" etc. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 I have been critical in the past but he was very good today. Quite possibly the best I have seen him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 22, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: He has never been shite as many have tried to say, he has mostly been unfit, part of an overall shite team, or a scapegoat. The same way Clark has never actually been as shite as alot on here say either. Same could be said for alot of players. Lose next week and watch him be "The worst player to ever wear the shirt" etc. Neither Clark or Baker are good enough to be starting Premier League CB's and never will be. The criticism of them both has been entirely justified in my view. Baker did well today but in all honesty there was next to no threat from Fulham. In a team not under pressure Baker and for that matter Clark will do okay, especially at this level. But put under more intense pressure or against better forwards both will in my view succumb to the same mistakes that have been so characteristic in their careers to date. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 10 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: Neither Clark or Baker are good enough to be starting Premier League CB's and never will be. The criticism of them both has been entirely justified in my view. Baker did well today but in all honesty there was next to no threat from Fulham.er. In a team not under pressure Baker and for that matter Clark will do okay, especially at this level. But put under more intense pressure or against better forwards both will in my view succumb to the same mistakes that have been so characteristic in their careers to date. Fair enough, but personally I feel they are both players who, even in the Premier League, thrive when they have a solid, assured partner beside them. They are, especially Baker, more blood, guts and last ditch save type defenders as a pose to intelligent defenders. Vlaar, Chester etc bring out the best in these types of players and I genuinely think every team needs this type of player. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Baker deserves to keep his place based on his current level of performance. Keep up the good work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Always rated him, though his main problem is he goes for everything and ends up out for a few weeks injured. CB's build a bonding with each other and being out every 3 games doesnt help that. When being a CB u also have to use judgement on what you should go for and not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 If he's going to be having a run in the side we need to get him on of those Petr Cech helmets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Better than Elphick IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 We know what hes good at. We know what he's bad at. He'll get better as we start to dominate more teams and they go long more often. He should start scoring a few for how well he attacks the ball actually. That'll be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 This is his level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Tomaszk said: We know what hes good at. We know what he's bad at. He'll get better as we start to dominate more teams and they go long more often. He should start scoring a few for how well he attacks the ball actually. That'll be nice. Is this a chant for him to the Sloop John B tune? I reckon the last line might be a bit lengthy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 he started poor as he was thrown into deep end with Clark which could have killed both their careers but I think he has improved since then. 2014/15 he didnt play that much but I thought he showed quality at times. Had a brilliant game at White Hart Lane when we won under Sherwood and Kane was in red hot form and dont think he had a sniff that day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 He's certainly improved from the headless chicken I declared to be the worst defender I'd ever seen a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 22 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: He has never been shite as many have tried to say, he has mostly been unfit, part of an overall shite team, or a scapegoat. The same way Clark has never actually been as shite as alot on here say either. Same could be said for alot of players. Lose next week and watch him be "The worst player to ever wear the shirt" etc. He has been shite on many occasions and so has Clark. Neither were premier league standard. Hopefully he can find his level this season and develop as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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