wiggyrichard Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 he's been terrible thus far and nothing can cover that up. Apart from the fact he's been carrying an injury since he arrived and been played out of position...other than that i agree. What's his position then? :? Behind the striker and he has not played there. Apart from... Chelsea, Sunderland, Blackburn, Liverpool, Burnley games.... :? Check the team sheets, or well just think back to the actual games...he was playing attacking midfield, behind a striker. Just because thats how Andy Gray shows it on his screen doesnt mean thats how they line up. I would say he has pushed on as a CM and not played behind the striker. No but had you watched the games, he's been off the striker. :? Chelsea - Reo-Coker + Petrov behind him. Liverpool - Hogg & Clark. Blackburn - Bannan + Hogg Sunderland - Petrov + Reo-Coker. Burnley - Sidwell + Reo-Coker. He was ALWAYS the most advanced midfielder whenever he's played under Houllier, he's always been close to the striker and in that hole. He's always had the freedom to get forward, those midfield pairings tell the story. Houllier said: "He won't be playing in Ashley's position. I've done that before and it didn't work. "So I'm not stupid, I'm not doing it again." but of course...out of position.... So what are you trying to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 he's been terrible thus far and nothing can cover that up. Apart from the fact he's been carrying an injury since he arrived and been played out of position...other than that i agree. What's his position then? :? Behind the striker and he has not played there. Apart from... Chelsea, Sunderland, Blackburn, Liverpool, Burnley games.... :? Check the team sheets, or well just think back to the actual games...he was playing attacking midfield, behind a striker. Just because thats how Andy Gray shows it on his screen doesnt mean thats how they line up. I would say he has pushed on as a CM and not played behind the striker. No but had you watched the games, he's been off the striker. :? Chelsea - Reo-Coker + Petrov behind him. Liverpool - Hogg & Clark. Blackburn - Bannan + Hogg Sunderland - Petrov + Reo-Coker. Burnley - Sidwell + Reo-Coker. He was ALWAYS the most advanced midfielder whenever he's played under Houllier, he's always been close to the striker and in that hole. He's always had the freedom to get forward, those midfield pairings tell the story. Houllier said: "He won't be playing in Ashley's position. I've done that before and it didn't work. "So I'm not stupid, I'm not doing it again." but of course...out of position.... So what are you trying to say? He's played in his proper position and hasn't performed. In fact, after the Sunderland game he said...."We put him in at Sunderland behind the striker and he needs to get hold of the ball and play." So I'd guess the manager knows more about his own team selections... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Ok he hasnt played well in his position (he may have played there but hasnt been given a licence to roam and create like he had at Man City without worrying about defensive duties), that still doesnt explain why he has been playing with an injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan_boy Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Had high hopes for Ireland, what exactly is going on with him.?? If he actually applied himself over the last few months and made more of an effort he could have played behind Bent with Young and Downing on the wings, which in my opinion is a more balanced team to tthe one we put out against Man City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamsonwoodVillan Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 I think Ireland is injured at the moment, due back in just over a week, should be fit for the United game. I'm really hoping Bent coming in gives him as an individual a lift to get going again in Claret and Blue. As a lot of us are saying, of course he's a really talented player and he should add to that list of good attacking options we have. At the start of next season I would say a fully fit and firing Bent, Young, Downing, Albrighton, Gabby, Heskey, Delph, Delfouneso and Ireland would be a formidable Premier League force. Ireland can have a fantastic future with us I'm sure. If we can just hang on to him this month, and he comes in and has a few good games before May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 I would still desperately love to see this lad find his form. I don't know the ins and outs..... but he can be a real talent. PS some need a kick up the arse.....i think he might need a cuddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 He's injured isn't he? I really do hope he has a future here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 This one really has me in two minds. On the one hand, you just look at it that it's a move that hasn't worked out for him, and he just needs to be moved on as he is earning too big a wage to sit on our bench every week. But I can't help thinking that there is a player in there, who can produce moments of magic. It's been a difficult season for us both on and off the pitch, so it is difficult to come in and produce top form. You've got all this talk about bringing in Charlie Adam, yet we've got a player who is potentially better IMO already on our books. Ideally, I'd like to see him go out on loan, it gets his wages off the books for 4 months and then we can look at things again in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpabloangel18 Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Shit or get off the pot Mr. Ireland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Shit or get off the pot Mr. Ireland :nod: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Biggest waste of time and money ever. Get rid now whilst he still has some sort of resale value, just cant see him coming good for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpabloangel18 Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Biggest waste of time and money ever. Get rid now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Biggest waste of time and money ever. Get rid now I'd argue that Pires 'has' tried. He just hasn't got the legs for it. Ireland has no excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 OK...the second biggest waste of time and money ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 I dont think Pires is costing us very much money at all. Ireland on the other hand, is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpabloangel18 Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 It was meant in jest, but a fine observation. Although I hear chauffeurs and Ipads cost quite a bit these days. I've been thinking, with Bent joining us, we really are crying out for Ireland to get his act together and give GH no choice but to give him some game time. He could be spraying balls out left right and centre to Bent and the wideboyz and we'd be creating all sorts of chances. C'mon son, get your shit together son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villatillidie1980 Posted January 23, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted January 23, 2011 I've been thinking, with Bent joining us, we really are crying out for Ireland to get his act together and give GH no choice but to give him some game time. He could be spraying balls out left right and centre to Bent and the wideboyz and we'd be creating all sorts of chances. C'mon son, get your shit together son. Totally agree with this!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 He is apparently slightly injured at the moment, I'd like to see him back on the bench when fit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Regarding Ireland's place in the squad; please see my sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parisvilla Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 im beginning to think we should cut our losses and sell him to whoever will take him. sure, we may lose a few million on the transfer fee but he's currently costing us £62,000 a week which equates to over 3 million a year. on the other hand, i really feel as though he only needs one good display to really get going. seemingly he's been incredibly low on confidence and GH publicly berating him won't have done much to improve his fragile state of mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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