TrentVilla Posted December 23, 2012 Moderator Share Posted December 23, 2012 It often seems to me that young players that we develop are given far far more time and their performances excused far longer than those we sign. I'm never quite sure why but it is often the case. Had we signed Bannan I think he would get far more criticism on here than he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradarmstrong_ Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 I don't know how much longer we can keep calling this crop of players 'kids'. Bannan is 23 and played over 50 games for us, I think he was the most experienced player against Liverpool which is scary considering how average he is. Too lightweight, awful passes that rarely come off, the only one of his across field glory passes I can remember leading to a goal was Albrighton v Fulham which must have been a few years ago now. I'd love to know what he actually did for 90 minutes to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 It often seems to me that young players that we develop are given far far more time and their performances excused far longer than those we sign. I'm never quite sure why but it is often the case. Had we signed Bannan I think he would get far more criticism on here than he does. I'm inclined to agree with this and I am guilty of this sometimes myself. I think we all like to see a lad who has been with us since his mid teens who has come through the ranks come good and are perhaps often blind to the bare facts that they may simply not be good enough. For me it is becoming increasingly obvious that Bannan is not a Premier League player. He is a tryer and a decent passer but he is neither a threat in an attacking sense and nor does he read the game well enough to be an holding midfield player. It is perhaps a sad indictment of our midfield options that he is getting a game at present although having said that I think Ireland would be a far better option than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 23, 2012 Moderator Share Posted December 23, 2012 I'm inclined to agree with this and I am guilty of this sometimes myself. I think we all like to see a lad who has been with us since his mid teens who has some through the ranks come good and are perhaps often blind to the bare facts that they may simply not be good enough. Yeah I think that is part of it, I also think because people have heard so many good things about the next big think in our youth ranks they give them way more time in the hope of it being true. I also think at times it is because people don't want to go back on their previously expressed views and admit a player isn't all that. I remember the Moore brothers being given a really easy time for a long time for this reason and the one you've rightly given when it was quite obvious they just weren't all that good. It was the same with Delfounesso but that seems to be changing now. Now it seems Bannan benefits from this despite being 23 and having played 50 odd games yet the likes of Joe Bennett are being written off. For me it is becoming increasingly obvious that Bannan is not a Premier League player. He is a tryer and a decent passer but he is neither a threat in an attacking sense and nor does he read the game well enough to be an holding midfield player. It is perhaps a sad indictment of our midfield options that he is getting a game at present although having said that I think Ireland would be a far better option than him. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarpie Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 I can't put my finger on what kind of midfielder Bannan wants to be, he can't choose when to hit long hollywood passes and when to keep it simple, he certainly isn't defending midfielder and he isn't box-to-box. Need to get someone else to play with Westwood, perhaps try Delph there in Spurs game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Drop him against spurs. His ball distribution is shocking, time to give KEA another chance to impress alongside Westwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 sandro and dembele will run through KEA or Bannan. i think Herd will move into midfield for this game to add a bit of bite and muscle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 He was the only player with the balls to face the press after the game. I appreciate that at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Yeah but he can still leave the club. He is pants have seen nothing in last few years to sugegts he should be anywhere near our first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 He is not the required standard and is one of the reasons we are in the position we are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Just keep him as a squad player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 He is not the required standard and is one of the reasons we are in the position we are in. Sad but true, along with Herd and two/three other players.. squad players at best these are not starters for a premier league team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 thread only seems to get bumped when we lose. for me he is the new Ireland or Heskey in being a scapegoat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Not true though is it, after the Liverpool win people were praising him on this exact thread and we won that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 24, 2012 Moderator Share Posted December 24, 2012 He is pants have seen nothing in last few years to sugegts he should be anywhere near our first team. I've consulted the Demglish dictionary on this one and still came up blank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 24, 2012 Moderator Share Posted December 24, 2012 thread only seems to get bumped when we lose. for me he is the new Ireland or Heskey in being a scapegoat Or perhaps, just like Heskey and perhaps Ireland he isn't any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Or perhaps, just like Heskey and perhaps Ireland he isn't any good. Not saying any of them are any good as that is a different debate but Ireland and Nzogbia certainly have not had as many chances as Bannan and many others. How many times has Ireland actually played 90 minutes and what has Bannan done to be considered better than him??? Is it now a rule that because we pay someone high wages we can no longer give them the same crack of the whip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 24, 2012 Moderator Share Posted December 24, 2012 Not saying any of them are any good as that is a different debate but Ireland and Nzogbia certainly have not had as many chances as Bannan and many others. How many times has Ireland actually played 90 minutes and what has Bannan done to be considered better than him??? Is it now a rule that because we pay someone high wages we can no longer give them the same crack of the whip? I'm not particularly a fan of either N'Zogbia or Ireland but I would rather have Ireland in the side than Bannan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Not consistant enough to be a PL midfielder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 24, 2012 Moderator Share Posted December 24, 2012 Not consistant enough to be a PL midfielder Oh he is consistent, that is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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