Zatman Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 58 minutes ago, tinker said: How's he in better form, he played for twice as long as Jack in the last England game and created nothing but a bit of excitement, Jack had one assist and one assist of an assist in 20 minutes. The facts are there to see if people want to see them....but people have an agenda against Jack, not sure why some villa fans would but they have, maybe a bit bitter...... And the 10 games before that or the season before that Funny enough in 2021 when Grealish was here people cried that an out of form Mason Mount or Sterling was getting time ahead of him. Now Eze is in that spot and rightfully called up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 hour ago, duke313 said: You shouldn't just pick players for an international tournament based on a 6 month purple patch Has happened many times before and comes off more than most. Emi got his Argentina break after his first full season instead of playing a more experienced keeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted June 7 VT Supporter Share Posted June 7 9 minutes ago, Zatman said: And the 10 games before that or the season before that Funny enough in 2021 when Grealish was here people cried that an out of form Mason Mount or Sterling was getting time ahead of him. Now Eze is in that spot and rightfully called up Eze created nothing in his last England game, neither did Bowen or Palmer, Jack had a hand in 2 goals in 20 minutes , one from a pass Messi would be proud of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 15 minutes ago, Zatman said: And the 10 games before that or the season before that Funny enough in 2021 when Grealish was here people cried that an out of form Mason Mount or Sterling was getting time ahead of him. Now Eze is in that spot and rightfully called up And yet Sterling had a great tournament, was England's second highest scorer and was in the team of the tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 20 minutes ago, Zatman said: Has happened many times before and comes off more than most. Emi got his Argentina break after his first full season instead of playing a more experienced keeper Correct, picking someone because they were good once doesn’t work that has been shown over and over again with the England team. Does work for other nations I might add but not England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 6 minutes ago, zab6359 said: Correct, picking someone because they were good once doesn’t work that has been shown over and over again with the England team. Does work for other nations I might add but not England. Is that any worse than picking someone who has been good for a few months? For a different team I might add, playing with different players under a different manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAZZAM Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 29 minutes ago, tinker said: Eze created nothing in his last England game, neither did Bowen or Palmer, Jack had a hand in 2 goals in 20 minutes , one from a pass Messi would be proud of. Is that not down to England's style of play though? We effectively wear down the opposition for 60 mins and then bring on fresh legs of equal quality that teams can't live with. We are the springboks of European football just out squad teams instead of outplaying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 7 VT Supporter Share Posted June 7 This thread just full of made up nonsense as usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 5 minutes ago, KAZZAM said: Is that not down to England's style of play though? We effectively wear down the opposition for 60 mins and then bring on fresh legs of equal quality that teams can't live with. We are the springboks of European football just out squad teams instead of outplaying them. Until they get to the quarter finals and play a half decent side 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: This thread just full of made up nonsense as usual Needs more mayo puns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 (edited) 49 minutes ago, tinker said: Eze created nothing in his last England game, neither did Bowen or Palmer, Jack had a hand in 2 goals in 20 minutes , one from a pass Messi would be proud of. Was Grealish best 20 minutes in about 6 months Guy has been poor this season at club level If Rashford played similar in the last 20 minutes would you want him called up over Ollie? Edited June 7 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinRichardsonsMoustache Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Aioli, aioli,-oli-oliii, we are the champs, we are the champs. Aioli, aioli,-oli-oliii, we are the champs, we are the champs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 hour ago, zab6359 said: Southgate has finally grown a pair and made a tough decision, the right decision I might add Grealish has had a very average season. He still had a better season than players who have gone. Shaw has played 12 games all season. Toney was suspended for most of it and then awful since he's returned. There's others that have played less games, been injured for the last few months as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Article on him in the BBC and an interesting comparison by the writer who said his career might go the way of Dwight Yorke who also left to win a treble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Just now, AndyM3000 said: He still had a better season than players who have gone. Shaw has played 12 games all season. Toney was suspended for most of it and then awful since he's returned. There's others that have played less games, been injured for the last few months as well. Then there is Dunk who has been average for a leaky Brighton and terrible for England over Branthwaite who's been rock solid for Everton. Also, wouldn't it make more sense having Branthwaite (or Tarkowski for that matter) who will be much better suited playing in front of Pickford, since you know... they literally play together for Everton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Grealish was walking on eggshells around Southgate. Hence why his euros dreams mayo be over unless an injury occurs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 13 minutes ago, AndyM3000 said: He still had a better season than players who have gone. Shaw has played 12 games all season. Toney was suspended for most of it and then awful since he's returned. There's others that have played less games, been injured for the last few months as well. Shaw and Toney are not vying for the same position as Grealish they are there simply because there is no one better, you could possibly make an argument for Solanke but he plays for an unfashionable team and we all know how Southgate feels about that, every player selected ahead of Grealish is there in merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 It was Eze over Grealish imo and you can't argue with that. Eze is probably in a similar position to Jack with us in summer 2021. Interested how long he stays at Palace and if there's a buyout clause in his deal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fightoffyour Posted June 7 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 7 17 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Very surprised he's been omitted, thought he looked excellent the other night (admittedly it's only Bosnia of course). I don't really care whether a player has 'had a good season', the question is whether they'd be the best option for England, and since I've defended Southgate so many times before for picking on squad role rather than form I'm surprised (and slightly critical) that he seems to be picking on form now. Saying it was "only Bosnia" is a bit unfair. Herzegovina were there too. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted June 7 VT Supporter Share Posted June 7 2 hours ago, Genie said: My prediction is someone gets injured and he gets recalled Came here to make this same prediction. The players in the squad love Jack the lad, they'll be pressuring Sareth to reverse his decision and then someone will just get injured tonight probably and make it easy for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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