AndyM3000 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 15 hours ago, 479Villan said: His position is literally the last one on the field for which we need upgrades. How about a starting DM / someone who can challenge Kamara who isn't back at full power until the new year? A new RB? A new LB after shedding Digne's wages? It's a valid point, if we sold Ramsey perhaps it happens but as it stands we have Rogers, Ramsey, Buendia who all mainly play off that side. Diaby has also played there. We currently have no real option behind Pau, Luiz and Kamara. RB feels like an issue, but Cash, Konsa and Nedeljkovic might cover it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leemond2008 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Regardless of what our thoughts are on him coming back, how would the media and fans of other clubs view the move? If he was to rejoin us in this window (which isn't going to happen) I am pretty sure that his stock would plummet massively, yes we are a club on the up but the narrative would be "Grealish returns to Aston Villa after failing to live up to Peps expectations" and "Aston Villa re-sign £100m flop" Personally I wouldn't want him back at any point, I don't have anything against him I just always think of the old "never go back" saying, he's a different player now and we are a different club, let him go to Spurs or Newcastle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 10 minutes ago, leemond2008 said: Regardless of what our thoughts are on him coming back, how would the media and fans of other clubs view the move? If he was to rejoin us in this window (which isn't going to happen) I am pretty sure that his stock would plummet massively, yes we are a club on the up but the narrative would be "Grealish returns to Aston Villa after failing to live up to Peps expectations" and "Aston Villa re-sign £100m flop" Personally I wouldn't want him back at any point, I don't have anything against him I just always think of the old "never go back" saying, he's a different player now and we are a different club, let him go to Spurs or Newcastle. Are you saying he'd lose his boo hoo man sponsorship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSvillain Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Man City itk says he’s going nowhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 3 hours ago, The_Steve said: Is he even as popular now? His stock has dropped. He’s just another cog in the machinery. I don’t think shirt sales would be a convincing factor either. In Tesco today they had Grealish England shirts pride of place, so three years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 3 hours ago, The_Steve said: Is he even as popular now? His stock has dropped. He’s just another cog in the machinery. I don’t think shirt sales would be a convincing factor either. Genuinely don't know, not sure if he is and we just aren't paying attention or he's really not, city bought haaland and arguably need him even less than they did before, I'm in turkey, the kids are all wearing fake city shirts with Haaland 9 on the back (and there's a lot of them too, easily the biggest PL club, I'd say it's whoever Ronaldo plays for, Miami, Madrid, Barca, city as the top 5 with them a lot of genuine looking Dortmund fans here) Interested to see if puma do anything around him pre euros as they've paid him so much money yet seemingly don't advertise with him, Adidas launched their summer advert today for the euros and the Copa featuring wirtz, pedri and Bellingham (who even looks like he's getting his own Adidas range which would be mad) 3 years ago from memory he was on the sports direct and COD adverts, now he's sponsored by Gucci and puma but he's not broken through still, he's got the money but not got his face out there, not his sober one anyway Unless of course he gets a mayo advert this summer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 2 VT Supporter Share Posted June 2 18 hours ago, 479Villan said: His position is literally the last one on the field for which we need upgrades. Given how we’ve struggled on the left hand side for the last 12 months I couldn’t disagree with this more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted June 2 VT Supporter Share Posted June 2 31 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Genuinely don't know, not sure if he is and we just aren't paying attention or he's really not, city bought haaland and arguably need him even less than they did before, I'm in turkey, the kids are all wearing fake city shirts with Haaland 9 on the back (and there's a lot of them too, easily the biggest PL club, I'd say it's whoever Ronaldo plays for, Miami, Madrid, Barca, city as the top 5 with them a lot of genuine looking Dortmund fans here) Interested to see if puma do anything around him pre euros as they've paid him so much money yet seemingly don't advertise with him, Adidas launched their summer advert today for the euros and the Copa featuring wirtz, pedri and Bellingham (who even looks like he's getting his own Adidas range which would be mad) 3 years ago from memory he was on the sports direct and COD adverts, now he's sponsored by Gucci and puma but he's not broken through still, he's got the money but not got his face out there, not his sober one anyway Unless of course he gets a mayo advert this summer... Got your Villa shirt on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 3 minutes ago, Follyfoot said: Got your Villa shirt on Nah...castore done it for me, got no interest in them, I've spent a long time looking at the away shirt but in the end I didn't bother, last villa shirt I bought was the last kappa home one, got the Luke 3rd shirt somewhere Saw a thing on Facebook earlier taking the piss out of grown men wearing football shirts on holiday but I'm genuinely disappointed villas new Adidas shirt is about a week away from being on sale, I'd be repping by the pool like no man's business 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 On 01/06/2024 at 08:57, sidcow said: What about if the manager didn't instruct him to run forwards then pass it sideways/back? See I used to think it was Pep, but whenever Doku gets on he spends his entire time on the pitch trying to beat his man for either a shot or cross. Why would Jack and Doku have completely different instructions. Maybe Jack has just lost that fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
479Villan Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Given how we’ve struggled on the left hand side for the last 12 months I couldn’t disagree with this more During those 12 months you were watching us struggle on the left going forward, do you recall players named Ramsey or Rogers over there? Or do you recall teams slicing through our midfield after about the first 10 minutes on attack? Or are you thinking that Grealish’s 40M move and astronomical wages would be great for converting him to LB? Maybe convert him to a 6 to free Doug back up? It would be a luxury buy of nonsensical proportions. People so busy wanting to live the tale of the Prodigal Son they ignore the real gap areas. Baffling. Edited June 2 by 479Villan I no spell gud 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 2 VT Supporter Share Posted June 2 6 minutes ago, 479Villan said: During those 12 months you were watching us struggle on the left going forward, do you recall players named Ramsey or Rogers over there? Or do you recall teams slicing through our midfield after about the first 10 minutes on attack? Or are you thinking that Grealish’s 40M move and astronomical wages would be great for converting him to LB? Maybe convert him to a 6 to free Doug back up? It would be a luxury buy of nonsensical proportions. People so busy wanting to live the tale of the Prodigal Son they ignore the real gap areas. Baffling. I remember us not having a solid option on the left all season. Ramsey was dog shit when he wasn’t injured, Zaniolo was shit, Tielemans didn’t work out there. Roger’s eventually plugged the gap but even he seems like he’s destined to play more centrally Having Grealish last season would have been amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 20 hours ago, 479Villan said: His position is literally the last one on the field for which we need upgrades. How about a starting DM / someone who can challenge Kamara who isn't back at full power until the new year? A new RB? A new LB after shedding Digne's wages? We would have said the same about signing Torres last summer. Worked out alright thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
479Villan Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 9 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: We would have said the same about signing Torres last summer. Worked out alright thought. Who considered Pau a signing at a position we had plenty of depth? So much depth there that losing Ty, and just Ty, meant we had to go get Lenglet ASAP to make the numbers? That’s not depth man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Just three goals and assist from 20 league games is a terrible return. I’m not sure that version of Grealish improves us greatly. He’s only managed 11 league assists since joining them. Goal returns are about the same. The previous season he managed 5 goals and 7 assists. For the money, his production on the pitch just doesn’t cut it. Especially when he’s admitted multiple times he needs to improve those stats. There’s better options out there for less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 28 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Just three goals and assist from 20 league games is a terrible return. I’m not sure that version of Grealish improves us greatly. He’s only managed 11 league assists since joining them. Goal returns are about the same. The previous season he managed 5 goals and 7 assists. For the money, his production on the pitch just doesn’t cut it. Especially when he’s admitted multiple times he needs to improve those stats. There’s better options out there for less. If we were linked with Mudryk or Antony people be fuming but Grealish brings a bizarre nostalgia factor since he wanted to leave multiple times and was happy to dive against us(Ashley Young dive a lot different, he never claimed to be a fan) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: If we were linked with Mudryk or Antony people be fuming but Grealish brings a bizarre nostalgia factor since he wanted to leave multiple times and was happy to dive against us(Ashley Young dive a lot different, he never claimed to be a fan) He's obviously slightly better than those 2 though 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 12 minutes ago, villa4europe said: He's obviously slightly better than those 2 though He was better than them 2. We have no current evidence that he is currently better It's just an updated Tammy dream that he is the same player we had 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 hours ago, 479Villan said: Who considered Pau a signing at a position we had plenty of depth? So much depth there that losing Ty, and just Ty, meant we had to go get Lenglet ASAP to make the numbers? That’s not depth man. Have a look at the first page of the Pau Torres topic. Multiple people said this, on the first page. So I would imagine many more after that page said it as well. Either way, I'd love Jack back. He'd be brilliant in this team. I highly doubt it will happen though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Let him do his thing at city, and let unai find better (he is a specialist at this shit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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