Mic09 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Let's re-live that "alcoholism" history. If I forget something please feel free to add to it. 1. Tenerife picture. 2. Video with a girl that was likely alcohol motivated. 3. COVID car accident. 4. Last year PL winning celebration. 5. This year's treble winning celebration. I would say, in a life of a 27 year old man, with extreme wealth and countless Abu Dhabi/Vegas/Ibiza parties that history does not point to an alcoholism problem. The sample size isn't enough for a serious conclusion. Yeah, he might have an issue. But what some people seem to be experiencing is called confirmation bias - hanging on to any snippet of information to support their thesis. Coming back to the COVID car accident, that was in my opinion the only "idiotic" thing that he's done. Yeah, he seems like a "lad". But he can do that, and still come to training with best footballers on earth on Monday morning. If he didn't, Guardiola wouldn't spend £100m on him, simple as. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 How Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 37 minutes ago, wishywashy said: How The guy in the dark blue training top that's how They'll know he's been on the piss, they'll get it out of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 hours ago, wishywashy said: How Id imagine he’s had at least a full day off drinking in between so he’ll be perfectly functional now if not quite 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 27 year old lets loose after winning a treble. Has never been able to handle his drink. He is still the same jack the lad he always was. Got the same kind of profile as Freddie flintoff who was also worshipped for getting on it and going further than others . Until he **** up and then he will be battered by the press . Edited June 14, 2023 by MWARLEY2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 14, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Genie said: “The makings of” isn’t the same thing. ”The makings of a world class player” is not the same as being a world class player. He’s a professional athlete who seems to behave in a way very different to that of other professional athletes. That’s a concern already, it’s not the norm to get that battered in that environment. We’ve seen this type of behaviour from the likes of Merson, Best, Adams, Gascogne who all struggled with alcohol later on in their careers. Ross McCormack had a similar personality type and functioned perfectly well as a top of his level footballer for years, scoring bundles of goals until he couldn't any more, then he went into a spiral. Ross McCormack is still younger than Ashley Young. His career effectively finished years ago. It's not just Jack doing what we all did in our 20's. As others have said, it's at odds with pretty much every other top footballer these days, and coupled with his personality it could spell danger in the long term. Maybe it won't but alarm bells are ringing. Edited June 14, 2023 by sidcow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted June 14, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Mic09 said: Let's re-live that "alcoholism" history. If I forget something please feel free to add to it. 1. Tenerife picture. 2. Video with a girl that was likely alcohol motivated. 3. COVID car accident. 4. Last year PL winning celebration. 5. This year's treble winning celebration. I would say, in a life of a 27 year old man, with extreme wealth and countless Abu Dhabi/Vegas/Ibiza parties that history does not point to an alcoholism problem. The sample size isn't enough for a serious conclusion. Yeah, he might have an issue. But what some people seem to be experiencing is called confirmation bias - hanging on to any snippet of information to support their thesis. Coming back to the COVID car accident, that was in my opinion the only "idiotic" thing that he's done. Yeah, he seems like a "lad". But he can do that, and still come to training with best footballers on earth on Monday morning. If he didn't, Guardiola wouldn't spend £100m on him, simple as. The Villa promotion bender was pretty impressive. That was also days long. I’m not getting involved in the whole alcoholic debate though, just highlighting another of his public antics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, sidcow said: Ross McCormack had a similar personality type and functioned perfectly well as a top of his level footballer for years, scoring bundles of goals until he couldn't any more, then he went I to a spiral. Ross McCormack is still younger than Ashley Young. His career effectively finished years ago. It's not just Jack doing what we all did in our 20's. As others have said, it's at odds with pretty much every other top footballer these days, and coupled with his personality it could spell danger in the long term. Maybe it won't but alarm bells are ringing. They can hide it much better nowadays. Rooney has talked about getting smashed at home on 2 a long drinking sessions that we never knew about. Also racked up massive gambling debts early in his career that never got out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted June 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2023 fwiw you can put me on team 'this is a slightly concerning way to behave'. It's really very common for footballers, and especially former footballers, to struggle with addiction issues. It's a short career; he'll be retiring with more money than he can ever need. He'll go from a world where agents and physios and trainers and minders and god knows who else look after him and care about his movements, to one where he's completely on his own. He hasn't shown any interest that I can tell in forming a long-term relationship, let alone having a family. He is also - and there's no way to say this nicely, but I think it's important to say - really quite thick, so I personally find it hard to see him being very successful at the two most common post-professional careers of coaching or punditry. I'm sure nobody wants this to happen to him, certainly I don't. But alcohol really is an addictive substance, it's not just a conspiracy of prudes, people really do become addicted to drinking and if you're a guy who likes to go on a semi-public 3-or-4-day bender, cheered on and encouraged by millions calling you a 'legend' for how wasted you are, I don't think it's unreasonable to consider you at higher risk of forming a habit you can't easily kick later. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 There's having a session and getting absolutely wankered on a 3/4 day bender and totally off your bonce. I'll be surprised if he can even remember last night let alone the final on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 hours ago, villan-scott said: The Villa promotion bender was pretty impressive. That was also days long. I’m not getting involved in the whole alcoholic debate though, just highlighting another of his public antics. He came back to preseason fitter than anyone. He was already doing work beforehand. He doesn't let it get in the way of his football. Not since he was a teenager at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 well, well !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 On 14/06/2023 at 18:04, Mic09 said: Coming back to the COVID car accident, that was in my opinion the only "idiotic" thing that he's done. Really? He "pleaded guilty to a separate offence of careless driving after prosecutors said an unmarked police car spotted him driving at more than 90mph along the M42 at “close to an intimidating distance” on 18 October". The legal limit on the M42 is 50mph - Jack was driving almost double that. He's incredibly lucky he didn't kill anyone or himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 On 14/06/2023 at 23:02, HanoiVillan said: fwiw you can put me on team 'this is a slightly concerning way to behave'. It's really very common for footballers, and especially former footballers, to struggle with addiction issues. It's a short career; he'll be retiring with more money than he can ever need. He'll go from a world where agents and physios and trainers and minders and god knows who else look after him and care about his movements, to one where he's completely on his own. He hasn't shown any interest that I can tell in forming a long-term relationship, let alone having a family. He is also - and there's no way to say this nicely, but I think it's important to say - really quite thick, so I personally find it hard to see him being very successful at the two most common post-professional careers of coaching or punditry. I'm sure nobody wants this to happen to him, certainly I don't. But alcohol really is an addictive substance, it's not just a conspiracy of prudes, people really do become addicted to drinking and if you're a guy who likes to go on a semi-public 3-or-4-day bender, cheered on and encouraged by millions calling you a 'legend' for how wasted you are, I don't think it's unreasonable to consider you at higher risk of forming a habit you can't easily kick later. Don't rule out punditry based on not being the most articulate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 25 minutes ago, Kuwabatake Sanjuro said: Don't rule out punditry based on not being the most articulate I actually wrote a whole footnote about Gabby and then deleted it. I was going to acknowledge him as a counter-argument to the difficulties of getting a media career if you're not articulate and a bit dense, but I deleted because I remembered that actually, whether through smarts or good advice, he'd built up a property portfolio before he retired (IIRC) and obviously as you say he got the TalkSport gig so who knows, I guess there's hope for Jack yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skruff Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 He might be perfectly fine. But without the rush of playing in full stadiums snd winning trophys in the major tournaments, he wonder how he'll cope with that empty void. Especially when theres no expectations or people to hold responsibile and steer you along the right path. I'm for more worried him once his career ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted June 18, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Skruff said: He might be perfectly fine. But without the rush of playing in full stadiums snd winning trophys in the major tournaments, he wonder how he'll cope with that empty void. Especially when theres no expectations or people to hold responsibile and steer you along the right path. I'm for more worried him once his career ends. did i hear a rumour about him learning to DJ and wanting to play ibiza etc when he retires? you could totally see that...modern DJing has computers to do the mixing etc for you anyway so i don't think it's quite the art it once was edit: on a side note, some mates met his dad at the springsteen gig the other night and reckons he'll be back at villa one day. like him or loathe him, something will have gone wrong IMO if we end up signing a 33 year old grealish whose best days will be well behind him Edited June 18, 2023 by tomav84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 That seems like the sort of thing you’d say when you are 27 but not do by the time you’re 35. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 The only way he returns here is if he dies so in the 12/18 months. Can’t see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 25 minutes ago, tomav84 said: did i hear a rumour about him learning to DJ and wanting to play ibiza etc when he retires? you could totally see that...modern DJing has computers to do the mixing etc for you anyway so i don't think it's quite the art it once was edit: on a side note, some mates met his dad at the springsteen gig the other night and reckons he'll be back at villa one day. like him or loathe him, something will have gone wrong IMO if we end up signing a 33 year old grealish whose best days will be well behind him Would Unai or Monchi take him back. Is a lot of baggage and he is not like Young that his character woukd help the dressing room His Dad sure does love to talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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