The RJW63 Official Jack Grealish Appreciation Thread

[villa4europe]

18 minutes ago, jim said:

Most successful England manager since Sir Alf, what’s not to like?

Football

[Tomaszk]

4 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

Italy went into that tournament unbeaten in about 35 international matches or something. 

There's very very few difficult games in International football.

England would have beaten them if they'd played more positively.

In my opinion of course.

[villa4europe]

8 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

Where do we start?

Tactics lost us the final.

Chooses his favorites, over players who can actually destroy teams.

Draw at Scotland when it was a easy win, had he chose to win it.

FA spokes person, like a teachers pet

Talks pyscho babble bull****, like he is smart, when really he just reads books

You will never see this England team play at 100%, an show the world how we can destroy teams.

We will not win anything with him in charge, I would put my house on it.

He knows that the defence is the weakest part of the team so he plays overly defensively 

He also knows that we have a world class attack that can get him out of the shit 

What he doesn't know is how to perfect the balance between the 2 and as a result his football is effective but painful to watch 

Edited May 29, 2022 by villa4europe

[foreveryoung]

1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said:

Italy went into that tournament unbeaten in about 35 international matches or something. 

They played no one. they draw the more difficult games and struggled to score.

We let a 37 year old Chellini run the show, cause Southgate didn't have the bottle to go full attack. He then thought it would be a good idea to bring on cold and inexperienced players to take penalties, such poor management.

How he thought we could defend for 80 minutes was amateur at best. 6 shots to there 19, with our attacking talent. An no Grealish, when he was on fire.

[R.Bear]

15 minutes ago, Tomaszk said:

Go on, I'll play. Just to vent.

With an astonishing selection of players available, he picks his favourites and plays Steve Bruce nothing football.

Only two or three times have England have actually played well  at World Cups/Euros under him. That annoys me.

Because he's nicey nicey to the media they report that we play well as we struggle through another 1-0 win against teams we should put six past. It's a very strange relationship.

Tim Sherwood would have won the Euros with England. Dean Smith would have. Steven Gerrard would have. There was nothing to play against except Spain and France and they got knocked out.

Every single word of this is absolute drivel. Which isn’t a surprise.

[foreveryoung]

6 minutes ago, R.Bear said:

Every single word of this is absolute drivel. Which isn’t a surprise.

So you would have him as Villa manager after Gerrard if he was available?

[R.Bear]

England had been dogshit for years with some embarrassing and humiliating tournament exists. Southgate comes in, makes the team likeable, something that seemed impossible in years gone by, gets the team 20 minutes from a World Cup final and a penalty shootout away from a European Championship. Something that even the most optimistic England fan wouldn’t have even dreamed of before he came in.

Yet some bitter Villa fans don’t like it because he didn’t play Jack Grealish enough. Something they wouldn’t have given a shit about had he played for anyone else. Hilarious.

Edited May 29, 2022 by R.Bear

[Zatman]

7 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

So you would have him as Villa manager after Gerrard if he was available?

[jim]

2 minutes ago, R.Bear said:

England had been dogshit for years with some embarrassing and humiliating tournament exists. Southgate comes in, makes the team likeable, something that seemed impossible in years gone by, gets the team 20 minutes from a World Cup final and a penalty shootout away from a European Championship. Something that even the most optimistic England fan wouldn’t have even dreamed of before he came in.

Yet some bitter Villa fans don’t like it because he didn’t play Jack Grealish enough. Something they wouldn’t have given a shit about had he played for anyone else. Hilarious.

[R.Bear]

22 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

We let a 37 year old Chellini run the show, cause Southgate didn't have the bottle to go full attack. He then thought it would be a good idea to bring on cold and inexperienced players to take penalties, such poor management.

One of the best defenders of his generation Chiellini? And something that managers have done late in games for decades? 
 

“We should of attacked” some of you think you’re playing Football Manager.

[Stevo985]

3 minutes ago, R.Bear said:

One of the best defenders of his generation Chiellini? And something that managers have done late in games for decades? 
 

“We should of attacked” some of you think you’re playing Football Manager.

If we went back to that euros final and swapped the managers, do you think Italy would still have won?

[R.Bear]

13 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

So you would have him as Villa manager after Gerrard if he was available?

No, I think he’s a terrible club manager. But that’s irrelevant. He fits perfectly into the England job and his results are superb. If your criticism is that he hasn’t won anything then fair enough. That’s impossibly high expectations for a nation who have been a glorified quarter final team for its entire existence but that’s your opinion. In reality, he couldn’t have done a much better job than he has and every single fan would have bitten your hand off to make a major final in their lifetimes, let alone in 4 years.

[R.Bear]

Just now, Stevo985 said:

If we went back to that euros final and swapped the managers, do you think Italy would still have won?

I don’t deal with hypotheticals. If Kane had buried that chance at 1-0 against Croatia then England would have made the final.

If Rashford had put his penalty a foot right then England would be European Champions.

[Stevo985]

2 minutes ago, R.Bear said:

I don’t deal with hypotheticals. If Kane had buried that chance at 1-0 against Croatia then England would have made the final.

If Rashford had put his penalty a foot right then England would be European Champions.

I’ll take that as a no

Edited May 29, 2022 by Stevo985

[R.Bear]

37 minutes ago, Tomaszk said:

There's very very few difficult games in International football.

I can’t even tell if you’re serious sometimes

But you’re right, like say the European Champions who had been unbeaten for years playing a playoff match at home to North Macedonia. An absolute formality.

[R.Bear]

2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

I’ll take that as a no

No, you’ll take it as I **** said it, I don’t deal with hypotheticals. I don’t know, neither do you. It’s a pointless question.

[HanoiVillan]

58 minutes ago, Tomaszk said:

There's very very few difficult games in International football.

England would have beaten them if they'd played more positively.

In my opinion of course.

I'm not suggesting that England couldn't have beaten Italy, that it was somehow impossible, but at the same time I'm not having this 'there were no other teams apart from France and Spain' line. You can't talk about the actual winners of the tournament, who looked the best side from the first game to the last, as if they were just a hopeless barrier we should have smitten aside. 

[Stevo985]

17 minutes ago, R.Bear said:

No, you’ll take it as I **** said it, I don’t deal with hypotheticals. I don’t know, neither do you. It’s a pointless question.

I’m sure if the answer was yes you would deal in the hypotheticals. 
 

I don’t hate Southgate. I think he’s done a good job. But I think a better manager would have won the euros with our squad. Which was the point I was trying to make. An England managed by Mancini would have beaten an Italy managed by Southgate. 
 

So whilst I think he’s doing a good job, I think we are currently blessed with the best generation of players, certainly attacking wise, we’ve maybe ever had. 
 

However I think Southgate’s limitations will mean we won’t win anything with them. When we really should. 
 

It’s quite similar to how Belgium have been over the past decade or so

[HanoiVillan]

33 minutes ago, R.Bear said:

I don’t deal with hypotheticals. If Kane had buried that chance at 1-0 against Croatia then England would have made the final.

If Rashford had put his penalty a foot right then England would be European Champions.

This is just obviously right. History and sport are contingent; the final finished level, and then there were penalties. Any number of things could have gone slightly differently in the shootout and the outcome would have been different. 

I don't think it's particularly obvious whether Mancini or Southgate are 'better' or not. Clearly Mancini got slightly more decisions right on the night last summer; on the other hand England are going to the World Cup and Italy aren't. Would I trade our presence at this World Cup for having won a tournament last summer? Of course, absolutely. But you have to weigh up both if you're going to compare the managers. 

Dragging this back to Jack Grealish, Southgate's reasons not to pick him in the first place were annoying, because he didn't say 'I don't want to because I don't think he's ready'. Honesty would have been less annoying. But picking him before he was confident Jack was ready wouldn't have been right either. Villa fans obviously don't want to hear that playing Champions League games and training with City players - even as a bit-part player - is considered more valuable than tearing up the league as the main man in a midtable side, but that's too **** bad, because that's what everyone in the England set-up thinks, so. 

[foreveryoung]

31 minutes ago, R.Bear said:

No, you’ll take it as I **** said it, I don’t deal with hypotheticals. I don’t know, neither do you. It’s a pointless question.

I just get frustrated that this team is so much better than Southgate allows. I can't even recall a game where we look convincing,  or in control of a game, Southgate has just no bottle to let this team play.

As for your comment not allowing attacking play, when you have Kane, Foden, Grealish, Bellingham, Saka, Sterling, to name a few up front. you shouldn't be scared to go for goals, instead of setting up defensively 95% of the time. It's just highlights his attitude of being a bottler.