BleedClaretAndBlue Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said: Southgate told him many time to leave Villa. I know this for a fact. Disgraceful. This what we have to look forward to with Ollie and Konsa next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post a-k Posted August 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: The way the PA announcer says "OUR" boy in blue 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said: Southgate told him many time to leave Villa. I know this for a fact. Why would he? He uses Declan Rice, Kalvin Phillips, Jordan Pickford. He’s capped Mings, and Watkins, Konsa is on the radar. Why would he be so desperate for Jack to leave? Is it again to get him used to playing at a higher (CL) level. Or because he thinks he’s wasnt coached properly/to his full potential at Villa (might be true to be fair). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: Why would he? He uses Declan Rice, Kalvin Phillips, Jordan Pickford. He’s capped Mings, and Watkins, Konsa is on the radar. Why would he be so desperate for Jack to leave? Is it again to get him used to playing at a higher (CL) level. Or because he thinks he’s wasnt coached properly/to his full potential at Villa (might be true to be fair). Wanted Jack in a team that spent large periods on top rather than counter attacking cut and thrust football. Southgate is tactically inept anyway his opinions are gibberish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Disgraceful. This what we have to look forward to with Ollie and Konsa next year Don’t know anything on those, Konsa will be agents looking to pump his value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roonst83 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, deck said: To cut him a bit of slack, I always took that reply ("I don't know what that means") to mean he didn't know what Dean Smith meant by calling him that, not that he didn't know what the word itself meant. Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, roonst83 said: Correct. If he knew what the word meant surely he knows what Smith meant 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Yuck, it's difficult to watch. They had to emphasise: "Our, number 10, OUR boy in blue".... I never really liked Citeh always been a bit of a non-existent club in the Thirty-five odd years I've been a Villa fan; I do kind of despise them now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Salad Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 2 hours ago, a m ole said: To be fair why would anyone turn up to see a player wave, do some keepy-ups and recite the PFA ‘New Signing Speech v3-03.pdf’ over a distorted sound system? How many people turned up to Ronaldo's signing for Madrid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Spoony said: I don’t think any of us thought he was worth £100m in terms of talent, just £100m to us as he was our talisman, captain and impossible to replace (at least as a single player). All in all the price was right for everyone. I do get the feeling he will flop though. I think in terms of pure footballing ability/potential the £100m is slightly inflated (which is maybe what Purslow mean by setting a release clause they hoped no one would meet). But once you factor branding/marketing potential I think his value comfortably is above that - he almost added £20m to his value from his PR during the Euros alone which took his stardom/celebrity status beyond anything I'd seen for a Villa player. I actually wonder whether his agent pushed him a bit on that front - i.e. "the £100m is a bit steep so get your face out there a bit more to boost your worth" - he seemed to be doing interviews every day during the Euros and far more than any other player which was a bit odd for a someone on the bench. There's a bit of a missed opportunity there for us because keeping him post Euros would have potentially been massive for boosting our brand/base globally. But once players get to that degree of stardom the player then becomes way bigger than the club which maybe isn't healthy. I wonder if City aren't actually the best choice for him in that respect - Guardiola 's undoubtedly an outstanding coach but I'm not sure he's ever had to handle such a massive individual brand/personality before (Messi was much younger/humbler when he worked for Guardiola). Grealish always struck me as much more of a Utd type player in that respect who have a history of handling those big star brands (Beckham, Ronaldo etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 48 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: If he knew what the word meant surely he knows what Smith meant To be fair, I don't even know what Smith meant. Encyclopedia of football? So he knows everything there is to know about football? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, JPJCB said: Grealish always struck me as much more of a Utd type player in that respect who have a history of handling those big star brands (Beckham, Ronaldo etc.). But Ronaldo and Beckham both grew at Utd though before really becoming massive names. Pep definitely has a history of handling the big names, didn’t he buy Ibrahimovic, Alves, Fabregas, David Villa whilst at Barca to name but a few? Edited August 9, 2021 by Tayls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Tayls said: But Ronaldo and Beckham both grew at Utd though before really becoming massive names. Pep definitely has a history of handling the big names, didn’t he buy Ibrahimovic, Alves, Fabregas, David Villa whilst at Barca to name but a few? Fergie bought Rooney. He was one of the hottest talents in world football then, despite his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 24 minutes ago, Tayls said: But Ronaldo and Beckham both grew at Utd though before really becoming massive names. Pep definitely has a history of handling the big names, didn’t he buy Ibrahimovic, Alves, Fabregas, David Villa whilst at Barca to name but a few? Ibrahimovic who he fell out with, same with Etoo. Alves wasnt so big when he signed for Barca and could argue Villa wasnt a superstar in the ego way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mark Albrighton Posted August 9, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2021 3 hours ago, PieFacE said: Thought this was quite a good balanced view from neutrals. I don’t particularly disagree with their overall view. The problem I have is this idea of him “sticking with Villa” when they were relegated and him slumming it in the championship. It’s said in a manner that suggests he was even remotely as highly regarded then as he is now. Complete revisionism. Outside of Villa if you asked most supporters, he was known as the lad lying pissed on the floor while on holiday. And then to a lesser extent the “hippy crack” incident. Look at this thread on here during 2017, the prevailing sense is uncertainty if he’s going to reach his potential. And people on here discussing that watched him every week. I doubt a couple of Newcastle supporters watched him anywhere near as intently to make a qualified guess. Incidentally it’s curious that I don’t see much of a “Villa sticking by Grealish” narrative when he was on the front pages of the sun. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keyblade Posted August 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Mark Albrighton said: I don’t particularly disagree with their overall view. The problem I have is this idea of him “sticking with Villa” when they were relegated and him slumming it in the championship. It’s said in a manner that suggests he was even remotely as highly regarded then as he is now. Complete revisionism. Outside of Villa if you asked most supporters, he was known as the lad lying pissed on the floor while on holiday. And then to a lesser extent the “hippy crack” incident. Look at this thread on here during 2017, the prevailing sense is uncertainty if he’s going to reach his potential. And people on here discussing that watched him every week. I doubt a couple of Newcastle supporters watched him anywhere near as intently to make a qualified guess. Incidentally it’s curious that I don’t see much of a “Villa sticking by Grealish” narrative when he was on the front pages of the sun. That's been the prevailing consensus among other fans, that he somehow did us a favour by staying in the Championship with us. Oh you mean the guy who couldn't get in the team ahead of Scott Sinclair the season we went down? Or the one who tried his best to piss away his career the following season? No credit given to Villa for sticking by him nd dragging him out of the mud. It smacks of people who have no clue what's been going on at Villa in the last few years (not that I would expect them to), and all it does is perpetuate the notion that good players have no obligation to stick with their teams and repay their faith and investment. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Xela said: I feel like i'm stalking an ex's facebook page when I'm watching him now! You just know when he plays really well it will be down to Pep and his brilliant management. Least when Platt left he went abroad and this was the days before the internet so it was out of sight, out of mind! In terms of club football but he became England captain and was scoring goals for fun so he was still very much in mind. Edited August 9, 2021 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 28 minutes ago, Keyblade said: That's been the prevailing consensus among other fans, that he somehow did us a favour by staying in the Championship with us. Oh you mean the guy who couldn't get in the team ahead of Scott Sinclair the season we went down? Or the one who tried his best to piss away his career the following season? No credit given to Villa for sticking by him nd dragging him out of the mud. It smacks of people who have no clue what's been going on at Villa in the last few years (not that I would expect them to), and all it does is perpetuate the notion that good players have no obligation to stick with their teams and repay their faith and investment. That's because some of our own fans regurgitate the same horse shite on social media. Alot of them are just echo chambers. I saw one poster on Facebook say " He gave us his life " etc... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 26 minutes ago, Keyblade said: That's been the prevailing consensus among other fans, that he somehow did us a favour by staying in the Championship with us. Oh you mean the guy who couldn't get in the team ahead of Scott Sinclair the season we went down? Or the one who tried his best to piss away his career the following season? No credit given to Villa for sticking by him nd dragging him out of the mud. It smacks of people who have no clue what's been going on at Villa in the last few years (not that I would expect them to), and all it does is perpetuate the notion that good players have no obligation to stick with their teams and repay their faith and investment. agreed - there's a bit of a narrative that grealish was turning down moves to other clubs to stay/help us. The reality was that no one wanted to sign him when we went down because he was a typical inconsistent young player with off field issues. Spurs came in for him in 2018 and all the evidence suggests he would have gone if they'd paid up. Then last year when he signed a new contract in light of utd interest he got the release clause put in so he could go at a later date. I'm not bitter about that - it's a cynical business - but anyone who thinks Grealish was at villa for as long as he was out of choice is deluded 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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