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The RJW63 Official Jack Grealish Appreciation Thread


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5 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

Southgate told him many time to leave Villa. I know this for a fact.

Why would he? He uses Declan Rice, Kalvin Phillips, Jordan Pickford. He’s capped Mings, and Watkins, Konsa is on the radar. Why would he be so desperate for Jack to leave? Is it again to get him used to playing at a higher (CL) level. Or because he thinks he’s wasnt coached properly/to his full potential at Villa (might be true to be fair).

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7 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said:

Why would he? He uses Declan Rice, Kalvin Phillips, Jordan Pickford. He’s capped Mings, and Watkins, Konsa is on the radar. Why would he be so desperate for Jack to leave? Is it again to get him used to playing at a higher (CL) level. Or because he thinks he’s wasnt coached properly/to his full potential at Villa (might be true to be fair).

Wanted Jack in a team that spent large periods on top rather than counter attacking cut and thrust football. Southgate is tactically inept anyway his opinions are gibberish 

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1 hour ago, deck said:

To cut him a bit of slack, I always took that reply ("I don't know what that means") to mean he didn't know what Dean Smith meant by calling him that, not that he didn't know what the word itself meant.

Correct. 

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1 hour ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said:

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Yuck, it's difficult to watch.

They had to emphasise: "Our, number 10, OUR boy in blue"....

I never really liked Citeh always been a bit of a non-existent club in the Thirty-five odd years I've been a Villa fan; I do kind of despise them now.

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1 hour ago, Spoony said:

I don’t think any of us thought he was worth £100m in terms of talent, just £100m to us as he was our talisman, captain and impossible to replace (at least as a single player).

All in all the price was right for everyone. I do get the feeling he will flop though.

I think in terms of pure footballing ability/potential the £100m is slightly inflated (which is maybe what Purslow mean by setting a release clause they hoped no one would meet). But once you factor branding/marketing potential I think his value comfortably is above that - he almost added £20m to his value from his PR during the Euros alone which took his stardom/celebrity status beyond anything I'd seen for a Villa player. I actually wonder whether his agent pushed him a bit on that front - i.e. "the £100m is a bit steep so get your face out there a bit more to boost your worth" -  he seemed to be doing interviews every day during the Euros and far more than any other player which was a bit odd for a someone on the bench. 

There's a bit of a missed opportunity there for us because keeping him post Euros would have potentially been massive for boosting our brand/base globally. But once players get to that degree of stardom the player then becomes way bigger than the club which maybe isn't healthy. I wonder if City aren't actually the best choice for him in that respect - Guardiola 's undoubtedly an outstanding coach but I'm not sure he's ever had to handle such a massive individual brand/personality before (Messi was much younger/humbler when he worked for Guardiola).

Grealish always struck me as much more of a Utd type player in that respect who have a history of handling those big star brands (Beckham, Ronaldo etc.). 

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48 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said:

If he knew what the word meant surely he knows what Smith meant 😆 

To be fair, I don't even know what Smith meant. Encyclopedia of football? So he knows everything there is to know about football?

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21 minutes ago, JPJCB said:

Grealish always struck me as much more of a Utd type player in that respect who have a history of handling those big star brands (Beckham, Ronaldo etc.). 

But Ronaldo and Beckham both grew at Utd though before really becoming massive names. Pep definitely has a history of handling the big names, didn’t he buy Ibrahimovic, Alves, Fabregas, David Villa whilst at Barca to name but a few? 

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12 minutes ago, Tayls said:

But Ronaldo and Beckham both grew at Utd though before really becoming massive names. Pep definitely has a history of handling the big names, didn’t he buy Ibrahimovic, Alves, Fabregas, David Villa whilst at Barca to name but a few? 

Fergie bought Rooney. He was one of the hottest talents in world football then, despite his age. 

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24 minutes ago, Tayls said:

But Ronaldo and Beckham both grew at Utd though before really becoming massive names. Pep definitely has a history of handling the big names, didn’t he buy Ibrahimovic, Alves, Fabregas, David Villa whilst at Barca to name but a few? 

Ibrahimovic who he fell out with, same with Etoo. Alves wasnt so big when he signed for Barca and could argue Villa wasnt a superstar in the ego way

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2 hours ago, Xela said:

I feel like i'm stalking an ex's facebook page when I'm watching him now!

You just know when he plays really well it will be down to Pep and his brilliant management. 

Least when Platt left he went abroad and this was the days before the internet so it was out of sight, out of mind! 

In terms of club football but he became England captain and was scoring goals for fun so he was still very much in mind. 

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28 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

That's been the prevailing consensus among other fans, that he somehow did us a favour by staying in the Championship with us. Oh you mean the guy who couldn't get in the team ahead of Scott Sinclair the season we went down? Or the one who tried his best to piss away his career the following season? No credit given to Villa for sticking by him nd dragging him out of the mud. It smacks of people who have no clue what's been going on at Villa in the last few years (not that I would expect them to), and all it does is perpetuate the notion that good players have no obligation to stick with their teams and repay their faith and investment. 

That's because some of our own fans regurgitate the same horse shite on social media.

Alot of them are just echo chambers.

I saw one poster on Facebook say " He gave us his life " etc...

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26 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

That's been the prevailing consensus among other fans, that he somehow did us a favour by staying in the Championship with us. Oh you mean the guy who couldn't get in the team ahead of Scott Sinclair the season we went down? Or the one who tried his best to piss away his career the following season? No credit given to Villa for sticking by him nd dragging him out of the mud. It smacks of people who have no clue what's been going on at Villa in the last few years (not that I would expect them to), and all it does is perpetuate the notion that good players have no obligation to stick with their teams and repay their faith and investment. 

agreed - there's a bit of a narrative that grealish was turning down moves to other clubs to stay/help us. The reality was that no one wanted to sign him when we went down because he was a typical inconsistent young player with off field issues. Spurs came in for him in 2018 and all the evidence suggests he would have gone if they'd paid up. Then last year when he signed a new contract in light of utd interest he got the release clause put in so he could go at a later date. I'm not bitter about that - it's a cynical business - but anyone who thinks Grealish was at villa for as long as he was out of choice is deluded

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