KSV Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 wonder if he will go out on loan to a championship club if we bring in an AM and winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Does anybody know exactly how Squawka work out their stats for defensive score? I just did a comparison of Grealish, Gabby and Weimann's defensive scores and it looks like this.... Grealish: 22.09 Gabby: - 0.37 Weimann: -0.89 These stats are all based on Squawka's per 90 metrics which accounts for minutes played rather than just looking at raw data. Now, At first I thought it might be like Ice Hockey's +/- system which is based on how many goals are scored and conceded whilst you are on the field. Then I laughed my head off when I saw 22 for Grealish...... What is interesting though is If you compare all of the defensive breakdown stats (Interceptions,Blocks, Clearances, Defensive errors and Errors leading to a goal) Grealish is actually the best out of the three. Now, I haven't gone full Lambert here and started thinking all attacking players should play defensive but what it does show is the worries that people have about Jack defensively haven't been evident so far according to Squawka. Yes he has played less minutes which means there has been less time for him to make mistakes however the stats in which he is clearly ahead of Gabby and Andi are Interceptions and clearances with which time on on the pitch has no baring. In terms of attacking out of the 3 in shooting Andi is top with Gabby and Grealish much of a muchness. Andi is top with total shots, shot accuracy and both shots inside and outside of the area. Now when it comes to passing which is vital in Lambert's new style (Passes forward, Passes backward, Successful Passes, Total Passes, Pass completion, Chances created and key passes) Grealish is top in every category. Grealish has also done this by playing far less games and minutes. Grealish: 9 games and 218 minutes Gabby: 18 games and 1514 minutes Andi: 19 games and 1343 minutes What can we conclude from this? 1) I'm very bored, 2) Squawka could be talking nonsense but most importantly 3) If these stats are true Jack needs to be playing more often and based on those stats it is in place of Gabby. Edited January 9, 2015 by sexbelowsound 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 9, 2015 Can't you put most of that down to Grealish playing more of a midfield role than the other two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Can't you put most of that down to Grealish playing more of a midfield role than the other two? Quite possibly, but does he though? I would have thought you usually takes the place of one of the front 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Caught his brummie accent the other day on AV TV , just great to see one of own coming through . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Ireland's Jack Grealish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) You have to earn a place in a football team....or should i say supposedly. Jack is still young and learning his trade and he is showing signs of being an exciting talent, but at some stage of that development an end product will be expected.some times it comes early and bides you some time....other times it just alludes you. sometimes the development plateau's out and it never arrives as we have seen in so many of our academy players. I have not got a clue, if Jack will make it or not, but i can safely say, if he doesn't manage to find an end product or effect at some stage in the near future, he could end up as another B6 Statistic. as Frankie Pimblett once said to me....its a cruel business. Edited January 9, 2015 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Does anybody know exactly how Squawka work out their stats for defensive score? I just did a comparison of Grealish, Gabby and Weimann's defensive scores and it looks like this.... Grealish: 22.09 Gabby: - 0.37 Weimann: -0.89 These stats are all based on Squawka's per 90 metrics which accounts for minutes played rather than just looking at raw data. Now, At first I thought it might be like Ice Hockey's +/- system which is based on how many goals are scored and conceded whilst you are on the field. Then I laughed my head off when I saw 22 for Grealish...... What is interesting though is If you compare all of the defensive breakdown stats (Interceptions,Blocks, Clearances, Defensive errors and Errors leading to a goal) Grealish is actually the best out of the three. Now, I haven't gone full Lambert here and started thinking all attacking players should play defensive but what it does show is the worries that people have about Jack defensively haven't been evident so far according to Squawka. Yes he has played less minutes which means there has been less time for him to make mistakes however the stats in which he is clearly ahead of Gabby and Andi are Interceptions and clearances with which time on on the pitch has no baring. In terms of attacking out of the 3 in shooting Andi is top with Gabby and Grealish much of a muchness. Andi is top with total shots, shot accuracy and both shots inside and outside of the area. Now when it comes to passing which is vital in Lambert's new style (Passes forward, Passes backward, Successful Passes, Total Passes, Pass completion, Chances created and key passes) Grealish is top in every category. Grealish has also done this by playing far less games and minutes. Grealish: 9 games and 218 minutes Gabby: 18 games and 1514 minutes Andi: 19 games and 1343 minutes What can we conclude from this? 1) I'm very bored, 2) Squawka could be talking nonsense but most importantly 3) If these stats are true Jack needs to be playing more often and based on those stats it is in place of Gabby. Great post. I think we need to give him a run. Tell him he's going to start a few games and let him do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 You have to earn a place in a football team....or should i say supposedly. Jack is still young and learning his trade and he is showing signs of being an exciting talent, but at some stage of that development an end product will be expected.some times it comes early and bides you some time....other times it just alludes you. sometimes the development plateau's out and it never arrives as we have seen in so many of our academy players. I have not got a clue, if Jack will make it or not, but i can safely say, if he doesn't manage to find an end product or effect at some stage in the near future, he could end up as another B6 Statistic. as Frankie Pimblett once said to me....its a cruel business. I think it is far too soon to be assuming his development could have stopped, as you said yourself he is still very young. We shouldn't be rushing him into the team or relying on him or pressuring him. He'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) No disrespect to the kid as he looks a talent and adds a bit of entertainment to a boring squad. But correct me if im wrong as im no youth development coach. Its just fans saying he is still young is no excuse surely, at nearly 20 years of age I would be expect him to be part of the team now and kicking on. Many players which have ended up a talent have had much more by the time they were 20, im just not seeing it. I am also worried he won't develop here as Lambert and the club have more important things to worry about, like finances and staying in the prem. Maybe a loan to a European club would have done him wonders this season. Edited January 10, 2015 by foreveryoung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1chuk Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Rumours he will be going out on loan this week, will be livid if it's true. We need creativity and this kid can do it coming on for 30 mins to give us a lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 12, 2015 Moderator Share Posted January 12, 2015 He's playing for the U21's right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 12, 2015 Moderator Share Posted January 12, 2015 And he's scored. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 And he's scored. Could do with someone who can do this. But Lambert didn't even put him on the bench. Fair play to the lad. Glad he signed a long term deal, we will see the best of him at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Sounds like he played an important part in Villa's second goal too. Promising game for the lad even if it was just an U21 match. Hope he gets a decent bit of playing time to show his skills at the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJT123 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 He's way too good for the U21's. Just stick him in the fist team, he's the best winger we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 He may be too good for them but he still doesn't look quite ready for the first team, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villanwesty88 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 He may be too good for them but he still doesn't look quite ready for the first team, unfortunately. I agree with you. He will only get better by playing so more u21 games and increased first team appearances will help. I look at the likes of Harry Kane and I thought a couple of seasons back he looked really raw. At times he was good but others he gave the ball away cheaply. He just needed game time to find his feet - look at him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 He may be too good for them but he still doesn't look quite ready for the first team, unfortunately. Whilst I know what you're saying, he still looks far more likely to create something than either Weimann or Gabby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villastine Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I think just like Okore, all he needs is an opportunity to start a league game and he will retain his place. I cannot seem him going out on loan, it would be insanity when he is on the fringes of the first team here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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