Davkaus Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) Mad Men at number 4? Does anyone here care for it? the only people I've known who seem to think it's anything other than 'sometimes alright, but fairly tedious in most places' are those shites at the Grauniad and the NY Times. 'Drama' is a bit of a vague term. No Breaking Bad, which should definitely be in the top 5 of pretty much any list of best TV shows, so I assume they think it's not a 'drama', but 24 is?! Edited October 7, 2013 by Davkaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 yes I love it, the writing is as good as any show ever IMO I didn't like breaking bad, thought it was over hyped when I tried watching it whilst series 3 was on, would hate to think whats its like now, gave up half way through series 2, it was ok nothing more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Be gone, demon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Just started the West Wing this evening. Another fantastic show I've been missing all these years. 7 series to get through, this should keep me busy for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 haha, the gf gave up after 3 episodes saying it was shit! (she also gave up on the wire after about 3 episodes) lent it to my mates and they all love it I also didn't like the west wing... didn't get off to a good start when sheen walks in the room and saves the day the last 5 minutes of the 1st episode, might as well have had "America, **** yeah" playing in the background, also thought it hasn't aged well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Mad Men is great, although it certainly is a slow burner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Just started the West Wing this evening. Another fantastic show I've been missing all these years. 7 series to get through, this should keep me busy for a while. you lucky bastard, watching all those episodes for the first time! Currently on a re-watch myself though. I do admit that there is an element of yeaaah, America about it, but i don't mind it, it's only annoying one one or two moments, otherwise, its grand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 7, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted October 7, 2013 Mad Men at number 4? Does anyone here care for it? the only people I've known who seem to think it's anything other than 'sometimes alright, but fairly tedious in most places' are those shites at the Grauniad and the NY Times. Paging Levi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 has boardwalk empire started back yet ? the blacklist with spader has potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 26th October in the uk, not sure why its so far behind, its been a week behind for the last 2 series watched homeland, going to be hard work, escpecially in a couple of weeks when she no doubt gets reinstated in the cia again also watched shield, even less convinced than after the 1st episode, the 2 minute cameo was the only highlight of the 2 episodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 agents of shield pure muck i would still so the asian looking one tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Maybe been posted, but this is about as close as Lindelof will ever get to admitting they **** up Lost: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/damon-lindelof-breaking-bad-finale-639484 The transcendent ending of Vince Gilligan's drama inspires another showrunner to stop defending his own finale, writing: "I'm done. I'm out." A couple of weeks ago, I was asked if I was interested in writing a morning-after response to the Breaking Bad finale. I immediately said yes. I did this for two reasons. One of them I was aware of, the other I was not. The one I was aware of is pretty rudimentary: I am a huge fan of Breaking Bad and have been a zealot of its Church of Awesomeness for years. It's spectacular TV -- spectacular storytelling -- and I am lucky to have borne witness to it. The opportunity to sing the show's praises one last time was not one I could possibly pass up. And here's what I was not aware of but am now. All story is reflective, designed to illuminate its own characters and the themes surrounding them. When a show is as brilliant as Breaking Bad, it's not just about the people we're watching, it's about those watching them. About us. In other words, the better the show, the deeper it forces you to look at yourself. On Sunday night, I took a good long look at myself, and this is what I found staring back … I agreed to write this piece because I am deeply and unhealthily obsessed with finding ways to revisit the Lost finale and the maddening hurricane of shit that has followed it. And this morning? I am Walter White. Arrogant. Conceited. Selfish. Entitled. Looking for ways to blame everything and everyone but myself, even though it is perfectly clear the situation I find myself in is of my own making. And here's the worst part: I'm still naive enough to believe I can attain some level of redemption. Earlier drafts of this piece were a love letter to Breaking Bad. The show was a masterpiece. I listed the reasons why. We all know what they are. The finale? Fantastic. Not a false beat. The scene between Walt and Skyler was as profound as it was satisfying -- and watching Walt run his hand through his sleeping daughter's hair, fully aware that he couldn't do the same to the woman he (once? still?) loved as she stood silently behind him quite literally broke my heart. Jesse lived. Walt died. All happened as it should have. And that would have been the piece you would have read had I finished it. But … In the comments section of the piece I did not write, the following sentiment would have been echoed dozens of times over: "What the f--- do you know because you f---ed up Lost?!?" How do I know this? Well, for starters, my Twitter feed was pretty much a unanimous run of, "Did you see that, Lindelof? That's how you end a show." Three years later, it appears that it is not just enough to love Breaking Bad's finale. You also have to hate ours. Yeah, I know. Waaaaaah for me. I should go cry into my barrels full of money. But I swear to you, I'm not looking for empathy. I'm just looking for a way to stop. And I can't. Alcoholics are smart enough to not walk into a bar. My bar is Twitter. It's Comic-Con. It's anytime someone asks me to write an article even casually relating to Lost. And what do I do? I jump at the opportunity to acknowledge how many people were dissatisfied with how it ended. I try to be self-deprecating and witty when I do this, but that's an elaborate (or obvious?) defense mechanism to let people know I'm fully aware of the elephant in the room and I'm perfectly fine with it sitting down on my face and shitting all over me. And this is how pathetic I've become -- I'm using an opportunity to put Breaking Bad into the pantheon of best shows ever (where it undeniably belongs) to narcissistically whine about the perceived shortcomings of my own work. God, I hate myself. But isn't that what's expected of me? Don't I have to do that? Is it possible for me to ever comment on anything I love without cheekily winking at the audience and saying, "But what do I know -- after all, I ruined Lost?" It does bear mentioning that not everyone feels this way. There are fans who actually love the way Lost ended. And I can feel the abuse they've taken for having what has become a wildly unpopular opinion, which only makes me love them more. Unfortunately, these kind souls are vastly overwhelmed by, well, less kind souls. So now what? I'm sick of myself for continuing to beat this particular drum, so I can't imagine how sick of it you are. If it's unpleasant and exhausting for me to keep defending the Lost finale, aren't you getting tired of hating it? And so … I, like Walter White, want out. To be free. And to grant you the same. I'd like to make a pact, you and me. And here's your part: You acknowledge that I know how you feel about the ending of Lost. I got it. I heard you. I will think about your dissatisfaction always and forever. It will stay with me until I lie there on my back dying, camera pulling slowly upward whether it be a solitary dog or an entire SWAT team that comes to my side as I breathe my last breath. And here's my part: I will finally stop talking about it. I'm not doing this because I feel entitled or above it -- I'm doing it because I accept that I will not change hearts nor minds. I will not convince you they weren't dead the whole time, nor resent you for believing they were despite my infinite declarations otherwise. Let this be our pact. And I'll just have to trust you on this -- I don't have Badger and Skinny Pete pointing lasers at your chests to keep you honest. And the truth is, there's no way everyone is going to read, let alone agree with this deal. But I'm going to keep my part. I'm done. I'm out. Just one last thing before I go … I stand by the Lost finale. It's the story that we wanted to tell, and we told it. No excuses. No apologies. I look back on it as fondly as I look back on the process of writing the whole show. And while I'll always care what you think, I can't be a slave to it anymore. Here's why: I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. And I was really … I was alive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer1 Posted October 8, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2013 has boardwalk empire started back yet ? It's been good so far. Much more of a slow burner than the last season, but good nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted October 8, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2013 I'm finding this series of Boardwalk really slow going. It lacks a Gyp Rosetti. I find myself caring less and less about the characters who are still involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponky Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Love Richard Harrow. The original terminator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I'm finding this series of Boardwalk really slow going. It lacks a Gyp Rosetti. I find myself caring less and less about the characters who are still involved. I bailed out about 5 episodes into the second season. Wondering whether to give it another go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 I've been deliberately holding off on Boardwalk Empire, Sons of Anarchy & Orange Is The New Black, till Breaking Bad ended so I'd have stuff to fill the void, only thing is it's busy season at work (bar the odd glance at VT of course ) so I should have them to keep me going for the next month or even two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 the rape scene in downtown has had over 100 complaints! thought it was a bit shocking, well executed, not quite as harrowing as this is England (which remains one of the best / most shocking scenes ive ever seen on tv) but really well acted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 8, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2013 Downton is both over- and underrated. It's not the masterpiece that the Daily Express readership think it is. But neither is it the piece of twee crap that probably most of VT would think. It's OK, middle-of-the-road stuff. I wouldn't bother with it, but the missus likes it, so it tends to be on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 same here, thought the same about mr selfridge, although that threw a bit more history in (almost tried to do what mad men does so well and have the characters impacted by actual events) so I found it more interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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