drat01 Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 what utter rubbish that article is. (sorry Levi) The abolishment of Quango's has always been a Tory Holy Grail. The fact that they are now bleating (with massive hypocrisy) about how the list was leaked shows them up for yet another cock up. There has been a lot of views from people a lot more informed than the author of that article on how bad a lot of those cuts are the impact will be very significant. For the ConDem's it seems that its all down to saving a few pounds and **** the real consequences, interestingly they are still keen on then private enterprise being used which of course costs more money. Also as the Mail of all things said Dozens listed for the axe are advisory bodies which cost the taxpayer very little Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315076/200-quangos-face-axe-really-go.html#ixzz10bzktE00 The current figure being talked about is 70,000 jobs to feed this desire to see any sort of Quango dissapear. How much will that affect the economy, these people and our commitments to them and their family does not dissapear, plus we lose their contribution to areas such as Tax etc On a more general point, teh ConDem often use Greece as some sort of example, but considering that Ireland is probably a better example of similar policy on massive quick and very harsh cutbacks, how little do the ConDem's say now about the fact that they are into recession as a result of this. Of course the Hedge Fund and Tax thief's who fund the Tory party and the cuckold actions of Clegg and Alexander etc wont mind this, but I suspect that the UK people will be more than a bit miffed and wont be easily distracted with news of babies sleeping in boxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 The current figure being talked about is 70,000 jobs to feed this desire to see any sort of Quango dissapear. How much will that affect the economy, these people and our commitments to them and their family does not dissapear, plus we lose their contribution to areas such as Tax etc Contributions to tax? The tax they pay is simply a small proportion of the tax that is used to pay for them in the first place! Ian, can you recognise the very simple fact that we have too many public sector jobs and the private sector cannot afford to pay for them all? Truth be told it never could, which is why Brown was still borrowing more than the public tax take even when the property bubble ponsi-scheme was still booming. How are we as a country supposed to afford those jobs now when we have a colossal deficit? On a more general point, teh ConDem often use Greece as some sort of example, but considering that Ireland is probably a better example of similar policy on massive quick and very harsh cutbacks, how little do the ConDem's say now about the fact that they are into recession as a result of this. As you liked to say, if Greece is not a reliable comparison to the UK due to the fundamentally different size and structure of its economy, how can you then compare the UK economy to that of Ireland and expect to draw reliable conclusions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 Public bodies (Quangos) to be abolished (177): Administrative Justice and Tribunal Council Advisory Board on the Registration of Homeopathic Products Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens Advisory Committee on Antimicrobial Resistance and Healthcare Associated Infections Advisory Committee on Borderline Substances Advisory Committee on Carbon Abatement Technologies Advisory Committee on Historic Wreck Sites Advisory Committee on National Historic Ships Advisory Committee on Organic Standards Advisory Committee on Packaging Advisory Committee on Pesticides Advisory Committee on the Government Art Collection Advisory Committee on the safety of Blood, Tissues and Organs Advisory Council on Libraries Advisory Group on Hepatitis Advisory Panel on Local Innovation Awards Advisory Panel on Standards for the Planning Inspectorate Agricultural Dwelling House Committees (16 bodies) Agricultural Wages Board for England and Wales Agricultural Wages Committees (15 bodies) Air Quality Expert Group Alcohol Education and Research Council Animal Welfare Advisory Committee Appointments Commission Audit Commission British Educational Communications and Technology Agency British Nuclear Fuels British Shipbuilders British Waterways Capacity Builders Caribbean Board Churches Conservation Trust Commission for Integrated Transport Commission for Rural Communities Commissioner for the Compact Committee on Agricultural Valuation Committee on Carcogenicity of Chemicals in Food, Consumer Products and the Environment Committee on Medical Aspects of Air Pollutants Committee on Medical Aspects of Radiation in the Environment Committee on Mutagenicity of Chemicals in Food, Consumer Products and the Environment Committee on the Safety of Devices Commons Commissioners Consular Stakeholder Panel Council for Healthcare Regulatory Excellence Courts Boards (19 bodies) Crown Court Rule Committee Cycling England Darwin Advisory Committee Disability Employment Advisory Committee Disability Living/Attendance Allowance Advisory Board Disabled Persons' Transport Advisory Committee Expert Advisory Group on HIV/AIDS Expert Panel on Air Quality Standards Farm Animal Welfare Council Food from Britain Foreign Compensation Commission Gene Therapy Advisory Committee General Social Care Council General Teaching Council for England Genetics and Insurance Committee Government Hospitality Advisory Committee on the Purchase of Wines Government Strategic Marketing Advisory Board Health Protection Agency Hearing Aid Council Herbal Medicines Advisory Committee HM Inspectorate of Court Administration Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority Human Genetics Commission Human Tissue Authority Independent Advisory Group of Sexual Health and HIV Independent Advisory Group on Teenage Pregnancy Independent Living Fund Independent Review Panel for the Classification of Borderline Products Independent Review Panel on the Advertising of Medicines Infrastructure Planning Commission Inland Waterways Advisory Council Insolvency Practitioners Tribunal Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisations Legal Deposit Advisory Panel Legal Services Commission Legal Services Ombudsman London Thames Gateway Development Corporation* Main Honours Advisory Committee Maqistrates' Court Rule Committee Museums, Libraries and Archives Council National Housing and Planning Advice Unit National Information Governance Board National Joint Registry Steering Committee National Policing Improvement Agency National Standing Committee for Farm Animal Genetic Resources National Tenant Voice National Endowment for Science, Technology and Arts Office for the Civil Society Advisory Bodies Olympic Park Legacy Company* Pesticides Residues Committee Public Guardian Board Qualifications and Curriculum Development Agency Railway Heritage Committee Regional Development Agencies (8 bodies) Renewables Advisory Board Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution School Food Trust School Support Staff Negotiating Body Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition Security Commission Security Industry Authority SITPRO Spongiform Encephalopathy Advisory Committee Standards Board for England Strategic Advisory Board for Intellectual Property Sustainable Development Commission Teachers TV Board The Theatres Trust Thurrock Thames Gateway Development Corporation* UK Chemical Weapons Convention National Authority Advisory Committee UK Film Council Union Modernisation Advisory Fund Veterinary Residues Committee Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment Advisory Board West Northamptonshire Development Corporation* Women's National Commission Zoos Forum * = Responsibility devolved to relevant Local Authority Total saving of 5.2 billion. Not a bad start eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 Jon - I see you are still preaching that Tory mantra - funny how you see a Quango as a bad thing when even the Mail acknowledges it not to be so. Firstly the hypocrisy of Cameron et al in bleating about a leak of the list, no comment? Secondly you seem to be stuck in that mindset of all Quango's contribute nothing whatsoever to the UK. Why is that or have you just brought into the ConDem statement of Public service being to root of all evil and must be abolished and we can count the pennies and all rejoice with our friends from the Banks? I notice you are happy for people to be out of work and some how justify this by saying because a proportion of their funding is from the state its OK then. Still you put no blame whatsoever onto the banking sector for any of the financial issues, again following the ConDem policy. As for Greece and Ireland, sorry but who's rules are we playing to here? Time after time after time you and many Tory supporters use Greece as the justification. I was merely highlighting a fact re Ireland, but as that doesn't fit in with the rules, we have to ignore it? There are some real simple facts here, the ConDem's are looking after their paymasters, the old Tory principle of being not bothered about the impacts on the majority of the UK population is alive and well, and is about to hit the UK with an enormous force. In the mean time, screw up and hypocrisy are being shown not to be some dodgy London Law firm, but to be the summing up of this Gvmt. The banks are taking the piss out of the Condems - link - so who do they go after next, of yeah of course the man in the street. Maybe we will see more of the attacks on front line services that you claimed would never happen but we see examples of on a near daily basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 Jon - I see you are still preaching that Tory mantra - funny how you see a Quango as a bad thing when even the Mail acknowledges it not to be so. Firstly the hypocrisy of Cameron et al in bleating about a leak of the list, no comment? Secondly you seem to be stuck in that mindset of all Quango's contribute nothing whatsoever to the UK. Why is that or have you just brought into the ConDem statement of Public service being to root of all evil and must be abolished and we can count the pennies and all rejoice with our friends from the Banks? I've said nothing of the sort and the above post is frankly nonsense. I notice you are happy for people to be out of work and some how justify this by saying because a proportion of their funding is from the state its OK then. I'm not "happy" for people to be out of work at all, I'm asking you whether you accept that the public sector can no longer afford to employ so many people? There is a big difference between being happy and being realistic. Unsurprisingly, instead of answering the question you try to turn it round onto what you seem to think is my opinion - and get it spectacularly wrong. Still you put no blame whatsoever onto the banking sector for any of the financial issues, again following the ConDem policy. Again, a load of twaddle. The Banks caused the crisis, the Government were seriously at fault for: a) Running a deficit during the good times and not being prepared for trouble - directly due to Gordon believing his own hype about abolishing boom and bust. Setting a regulatory environment that allowed the banks to go crazy in the first place. I've said that consistently for years but for some reason you continue to write something different and call it my opinion. As for Greece and Ireland, sorry but who's rules are we playing to here? Time after time after time you and many Tory supporters use Greece as the justification. I was merely highlighting a fact re Ireland, but as that doesn't fit in with the rules, we have to ignore it? It's called having your cake an eating it. Either the Greece/UK comaprison is valid which you've repeated stated it is not, or your UK/Ireland comaprison is invalid. Which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 26, 2010 Moderator Share Posted September 26, 2010 Does the country need all of those quangos? How did we manage before we had them? After 177 have gone, how many will be left? I don't know the answers to any of those questions. I suspect that only a small number of those above perform genuinely valuable work and I also wonder how long many of them have been around. In the spirit of wanting elected people to give us value for their wages, I wonder if these elected reps couldn't do much of what the quangos were set up to do. Yes. Take advice from outside experts, but do we really need these permanent, non-elected bodies in perpetuity? It looks like, as none of these questions have been addresses that the government has just decided it can do without these quangos, either to cut costs or because it doesn't like quangos full stop. "What do my taxes pay for them to actually do?" seems like a fair question. Someone needs to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 Does the country need all of those quangos? How did we manage before we had them? After 177 have gone, how many will be left? Public bodiess to be privatised (4 bodies) Construction and Skills Training Board Engineering Construction Industry Film Industry Training Board The Tote Board Public bodies to be merged or consolidated (Maximum of 129 bodies reduced to Minimum of 57) Advisory Committees on Justices of the Peace, (101 bodies – to be reduced to 49) Central Arbitration Committee, Single Arbitration Panel Certification Office, (as above) Competition Appeals Tribunal, Single Tribunals Service Competition Service, (as above) Copyright Tribunal, (as above) Police Advisory Board, (as above) Police Negotiating Board, (as above) Police Arbitration Tribunal, (as above) Rent Assessment Panels, (as above) Residential Property Tribunal Service, (as above) Valuation Tribunal for England, (as above) Valuation Tribunal Service, (as above) Crown Prosecution Service, Single Prosecution Service Revenue and Customs Prosecutions Office, (as above) English Heritage, Single Heritage Body National Heritage Memorial Fund, (as above) National Heritage Lottery Fund, (as above) Football Licensing Authority, Single Sport Body Sport England, (as above) UK Sport, (as above) Gambling Commission, Single Gambling Regulator National Lottery Commission, (as above) Ofcom, Single Communications Regulator Postcomm, (as above) Office of the Immigration Services Commissioner, Single Immigration Body Pensions Ombudsman, Single Pensions Regulator Pensions Protection Fund Ombudsman, (as above) Serious Organised Crime Agency, Merged into National Crime Agency Public bodies still under review (94 bodies) Advisory Committee on Conscientious Objectors [didn't realise we still had conscription!!] Advisory Council on Public Records Advisory Council on National Records and Archives Advisory Council on Historical Manuscripts Advisory Panel on Public Sector Information Agricultural and Horticultural Development Board Animal Procedures Committee BBC World Service British Council British Hallmarking Council Building Regulations Advisory Committee Carbon Trust Chief Coroner of England and Wales Child Maintenance and Enforcement Commission Children and Family Court Advisory and Support Service Children's Workforce Development Council Civil Justice Council Coal Authority Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment Community Development Foundation Competition Commission Consumer Council for Water Consumer Focus Covent Garden Market Authority Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority Design Council Diplomatic Service Appeals Board Exports Credit Guarantee Department Energy Savings Trust Environment Agency Equality and Human Rights Commission Family Justice Council Firebuy Forestry Commission Fuel Poverty Advisory Group Historic Royal Palaces Homes and Community Agency Horserace Betting Levy Board Independent Safeguarding Authority Industrial Development Advisory Board Investigatory Powers Tribunal Joint Nature Conservation Committee Law Commission of England and Wales Leasehold Advisory Service Local Better Regulation Office National Museums and Galleries (18 bodies*) National Army Museum National College for Leadership of Schools and Children's Services National Employer Advisory Board National Forest Company National Museum of the Royal Navy Natural England Office for Fair Access Office for Fair Trading OFWAT Partnership for Schools Public Lending Right Committee Public Trustee Youth Justice Board Rail Passengers' Committee Remploy, Ltd. Renewable Fuels Agency Royal Air Force Museum Royal Botanical Gardens, Kew Royal Mint Advisory Committee on the Design of Coins, Medals, Seals and Decorations Sea Fish Industry Authority Student Loans Company Tenant Services Authority The National Archives The Office of the Children's Commissioner The Pensions Advisory Service Training and Development Agency for Schools UK Atomic Energy Agency UK India Round Table UK Supreme Court Visit Britain Visit England Young People's Learning Agency * Refers to those National Museums and Galleries in England which are publicly-funded by DCMS and receive rebates of VAT incurred in the course of their activities, in order them to enable free admission to the public. Public bodies which will be retained (350 bodies) ACAS Administration of Radioactive Substances Advisory Committee Advisory Committee on Business Appointments Advisory Committee on Civil Costs Advisory Committee on Clinical Excellence Awards Advisory Committee on Hazardous Substances Advisory Committee on Releases to the Environment Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs Advisory Group on Military Medicine Agricultural Land Tribunal Architects Registration Board Armed Forces Pay Review Body Arts Council England BBC Big Lottery Fund British Railway Board (Residuary) Ltd British Library British Pharmocopoeia Commission British Transport Police British Wool Marketing Board Broads Authority Capital for Enterprise Care Quality Commission Central Advisory Committee on Pensions and Compensation Central Office of Information Channel 4 Charity Commission for England and Wales Civil Aviation Authority Civil Nuclear Police Authority and Constabulary Civil Procedure Rule Committee Civil Service Appeals Board Commission on Human Medicines Committee on Climate Change Committee on Radioactive Waste Management Committee on Standards in Public Life Commonwealth Development Corporation Commonwealth Scholarship Commission Courts Fund Office Criminal Cases Review Commission Criminal Procedure Rule Committee Defence Nuclear Safety Committee Defence Scientific Advisory Council Equality 2025 Family Procedure Rule Committee Fire Service College Food Standards Agency Forensic Science Service Gangmasters Licensing Authority Great North Eastern Railways Ltd Higher Education Funding Council for England HM Inspectorate of Prisons HM Inspectorate of Probation HM Land Registry Horserace Betting Levy Appeal Tribunal House of Lords Appointment Commission Independent Advisory Panels on Deaths in Custody Independent Agricultural Appeals Panel Independent Housing Ombudsman Independent Monitoring Board for the Military Corrective Training Centre Independent Police Complaints Commission Independent Prison Monitoring Boards (147 bodies) Independent Reconfiguration Panel Industrial Injuries Advisory Council Information Commissioner's Office Insolvency Rules Committee Judicial Appointments Commission Judicial Appointments and Conduct Ombudsman Land Registration Rule Committee Legal Services Board Local Government Ombudsman London and Continental Railways Ltd Low Pay Commission Marine Management Organisation Marshall Aid Foundation Medical Education England Migration Advisory Committee Monitor National DNA Database Ethics Group National Employment Savings Trust National Parks Authorities (9 bodies) National Savings and Investments National School of Government Navy, Army and Air Force Institutes NHS Pay Review Body Northern Lighthouse Board Nuclear Decommissioning Authority Nuclear Liabilities Board Nuclear Liability Financing Assurance Board Nuclear Research Advisory Council Office of Judicial Complaints Office for Legal Complaints Office of Manpower Economics Office of Rail Regulation Office of Surveillance Commissioners Office of the Public Guardian Official Solicitor Ofgem Ofqual Ofsted Oil and Pipelines Agency Olympic Delivery Authority Olympic Lottery Distributor Ordnance Survey Parole Board Partnerships UK Pension Protection Fund Pensions Regulator Planning Inspectorate Plant Varieties and Seeds Tribunal Police Discipline Appeals Tribunal Prison Services Pay Review Body Prisons and Probation Ombudsman Probation Trusts (35 bodies) Research Councils (7 bodies) Restraint Accreditation Board Review Board for Government Contracts Review Body on Doctors' and Dentists' Remuneration Reviewing Committee on the Export of Works of Art Royal Mail Holdings Plc S4C School Teachers' Review Body Science Advisory Council Scientific Advisory Committee on the Medical Implications of Less-Lethal Weapons Security Vetting Appeals Panel Senior Salaries Review Body Sentencing Council for England and Wales Social Security Advisory Committee Technical Advisory Board Technical Assessor for Compensation of Miscarriages of Justice Technology Strategy Board The Royal Mint The Westminster Foundation for Democracy Traffic Commissioners and Deputies Treasure Valuation Committee Tribunals Procedure Rule Committee Tribunals Service Trinity House Lighthouse Service UK Anti Doping UK Commission for Employment and Skills UK Trade and Investment Veterans Advisory and Pensions Committees (13 bodies) Veterinary Products Committee Victims Commissioner Victim's Advisory Panel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 It's called having your cake an eating it. Either the Greece/UK comaprison is valid which you've repeated stated it is not, or your UK/Ireland comaprison is invalid. Which is it? :-) - Jon you are the one setting the rules here along with idiotic comments from people trying to justify this flawed approach in the media. The fact that the Irish experience has shown the approach to be seriously flawed is worthy of note for this gvmt. The speed and the level of the cuts will be far too detrimental and will hit the UK with a force that will many do not realise yet. I notice you wont answer any of the points - ironic how YOU are the one turning things around, this is supposed to be a thread about your boys in power. I'd be very interested to see how when you claim not be anti-quango (as many Tory supporters are) but then offer nothing more than a fact about perceived savings as justification for them being got rid of. Pete, being non-elected in this sense means nowt. The support mechanism for all areas of Gvmt, society and all that makes this country isn't elected. As for what they do, then you can't put a blanket answer to that either as each have individual responsibilities. The current gvmt though are seemingly happy to put them into the same pot and attack based on nothing more than false economics. Lets pick out a few as examples, the audit Commision - who will now do their work and who will pay for it? The "accountability" then for their decisions and their work is where exactly? Look at the proposal to crap "visit britain" - who was it just a few weeks back that said britain needed tourism? - Oh yes Mr D. Cameron of various houses in the south east, etc etc the whole thing with the Quango argument is that while the ConDem's are happy to try and demonize the whole Quango setup, the reality is that they wont go away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 Maggie said she'd cut quangos. They increased under her govt. Blair said he'd cut quangos. They increased under his govt. Quangos are on the whole, a bad idea, an undemocratic outsourcing of responsibility. Public bodies to be merged or consolidated (Maximum of 129 bodies reduced to Minimum of 57) ..... Ofcom, Single Communications Regulator Rupert likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 It's called having your cake an eating it. Either the Greece/UK comaprison is valid which you've repeated stated it is not, or your UK/Ireland comaprison is invalid. Which is it? :-) - Jon you are the one setting the rules here along with idiotic comments from people trying to justify this flawed approach in the media. The fact that the Irish experience has shown the approach to be seriously flawed is worthy of note for this gvmt. The speed and the level of the cuts will be far too detrimental and will hit the UK with a force that will many do not realise yet. So no answer then, colour me shocked. I notice you wont answer any of the points - ironic how YOU are the one turning things around, this is supposed to be a thread about your boys in power. My apologies, I didn't realise you'd made any points? I'd be very interested to see how when you claim not be anti-quango (as many Tory supporters are) but then offer nothing more than a fact about perceived savings as justification for them being got rid of. Savings is the number one game in town if you hadn't noticed and I'd far rather it was the well paid members of the Advisory Committee on Packing, or the Committee on the Safety of Devices, or the Darwin Advisory Committee than frontline staff in the NHS, Education or the Armed Forces losing their jobs if jobs have to go. Wouldn't you? Don't you think the frontline lower paid workers contribute more than the above mention quangos to society? We can't do it all and the country has to start living within its means in order to pay off our debts. I don't think that is totally outrageous statement to make tbh. As an aside, how many of these bodies have been created since 1997 and how do we keep the sky from falling in pre 1997 without them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 Public bodiess to be privatised (4 bodies) ... The Tote Board ... He he he. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 Public bodiess to be privatised (4 bodies) ... The Tote Board ... He he he. Good luck with that.Dunno, they'll probably manage it this time. They've been running the group down (standard pre-privatisation govt policy) so that the sale will make less of a splash. Expect the company to be granted a new 10 year monopoly on pool betting to make the sale process a little easier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 A good article about Quango's from the Grud Link Of course the devout followers of the Tory party will see these as all being necessary and a good thing, interesting then when Dave puts on his green tie and preaches more bollox about being the environmental party. This Gvmt are more extreme now than Thatcher and that is saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Oh dear a ConDem MP accused of sending sex texts to vulnerable female constituent A senior Liberal Democrat MP is being investigated by police amid allegations he tried to force himself on to a vulnerable female constituent. Mike Hancock, 64, is accused of repeatedly trying to seduce the 36-year-old mother after she asked him for help with noisy neighbours and complaints about her healthcare. The married MP, who represents Portsmouth South, took the woman to dinner in the House of Commons and is said to have bought her perfume, clothes, wine and a teddy bear. ....... more on link Another day another scandal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 He should lose his job. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 wouldnt call that a scandal but yeah just give him the elbow thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 27, 2010 Moderator Share Posted September 27, 2010 Pete, being non-elected in this sense means nowt. The support mechanism for all areas of Gvmt, society and all that makes this country isn't elected..... - It means something to me, because these quangos are not "doing" they're "deciding". - I don't elect roadsweepers, but I elect the council who decide when the road should be cleaned. A lot of the quangos were set up by various gov'ts to do things they didn't want to do - not couldn't do, but didn't want to - largely because they could then distance themselves from decisions. Lets pick out a few as examples, the audit Commision - who will now do their work and who will pay for it? The "accountability" then for their decisions and their work is where exactly? where's the accountability now, Ian? There isn't any, other than to say "such and such a body did it" - it will be the same after they've gone - whoever does it next will be the identified body. Hopefully if they are elected, then if they do a bad job they can be got rid of. Look at the proposal to crap "visit britain" - who was it just a few weeks back that said britain needed tourism? - Oh yes Mr D. Cameron of various houses in the south east, etc etc I think you meant "scrap" the whole thing with the Quango argument is that while the ConDem's are happy to try and demonize the whole Quango setup, the reality is that they wont go away If there's less of them, that's likely to be a good thing. The hard part is getting rid of the right ones. Some seem like temporary buildings that have never been taken down once erected, even when no longer (if ever) necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 He should lose his job. Simple. Second that, if the allegations are proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Have Panorama had to pull their Ashcroft programme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Have Panorama had to pull their Ashcroft programme? Money talks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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