blandy Posted October 20, 2010 Moderator Share Posted October 20, 2010 f**k people who are on benefits. Yes, let's see the children of the underclass starving in our streets. Get a grip. Crikey no, we don't want starving poor people spoiling our stroll to the Mansion. let them starve indoors, out of sight and out of mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Ah I was looking forward to the usual piles of crap of how 99% of those on job seekers feel really low about it and desperately want to work... Were you? Or were you just looking to wind people up by making another of your ill-informed swipes at people whom you don't like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 20, 2010 Moderator Share Posted October 20, 2010 Writing a a moderator, Please desist from post on poster. Ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc89 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 attack him for his policies not for being rich, it just smacks of envy. Envy I'd rather not have a penny in my pocket and a pot to piss in than be a multi millionaire and have the morals of that smug bastard. You forgot to call him a Tory rocket polisher again. You’re slipping. I've never called him that but surely most people would take that as a given Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Prediction for the most repeated maxim of the day: Spending to return to 2006 levels.Not sure if it will be that or "these are ideological changes" Ha ha. Touché. (Though it is rather true :winkold:).Not really, I thought it was more like 2007 levels than 2006 :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 28.4% cut to local councils over 4 years is unbelievable. Yes it is, some were predicting between 35% and 40%. People will feel this on a very local level in terms of care for the elderly, vulnerable children who need help from social services, the closure of libraries, leisure centres, swimming baths etc. Add to the abuse of a few posts ago scaremongering and it covers all ends of the debate. Extra £2BN for adult social care Ending bring fencing of budgets gives local authorities more control over around £7BN more money Announcement to protect council tax by offering a tax freeze Introducing a regional grwoth fund which will create jobs in areas heavily dependent upon the public sector are just some of the more headline measures I have picked up from this that will help local councils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 28.4% cut to local councils over 4 years is unbelievable. Yes it is, some were predicting between 35% and 40%. People will feel this on a very local level in terms of care for the elderly, vulnerable children who need help from social services, the closure of libraries, leisure centres, swimming baths etc. Add to the abuse of a few posts ago scaremongering and it covers all ends of the debate. Scaremongering you know what Richard I wish it was. In terms of in Birmingham the impact to local services mentioned above is a given and I know that for a fact. I can't speak for other local authorities but would imagine it would be very much the same. By the way who did I abuse a few posts ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 The chancellor. Mark, added some more to my post over how I think it is scaremongering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Not really, I thought it was more like 2007 levels than 2006 :winkold: Ha (you know I was referring to the other ). I thought I heard him sneak out a 2008, too. So that's any one of three years (the 2006 I heard Olly Grender say - so perhaps they purposely gave the unoffical Lib Dem spokesperson a bad briefing :winkold:). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 As someone who as worked all his life and never claimed benefits it would be easy, as this government seem to have done, to target people on welfare. I however really can't believe that 18 billion pound can be cut in welfare payments without hurting the most needy. There surely cannot be that many people, to help make this level of savings, claiming benefits that don't need to. I agree that it should always pay to work but by throwing half a million people on the scrap heap from the public sector, the same again in knock on effects within the private sector, then where are all these jobs coming from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 ^ Do you think Gordon Brown related to normal people (or even mankind as a species) when he was Chancellor?? I think Osborne is a tit but attack him for his policies not for being rich, it just smacks of envy. Multi-millionaire members of the country's elite ruling class telling us "we are all in this together" does stick in the craw somewhat. True. "You're (you the proles!) all in this together. Enjoy!!" would have come across better I think. :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 The general consensus is that it will be the poorer of society that will be hit hardest. The wealthy are the only ones being protected from impact here and the downright lies of this being a case of "all in it together" is a disgusting comment. The LibDems are just disgusting and Danny Alexander really is like a spotty teenager who has been put in charge of a Porn Shop. They have abandoned their principles and ideals and their membership must seriously wonder what happened. There is an old saying about people in politics and power corrupting, how true that is The Tory part of this ConDem gvmt are living up to their image and this is a Gvmt that really does not care about the UK population as a whole, but prefers to protect its own "type". Some of us unlucky enough to have lived through their attacks in the past tried to warn and it gives no pleasure to be proven correct. Idealogical cuts and attacks on certain parts of the UK population. The ironic thing is people are worried now, wait until they reallyt start to feel the impact of these massive attacks on the public, boy will it be painful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4rvillan Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 And let's not forget the reason why these cuts are necessary. The banking crisis blah blah blah. It's all about living way out of your means and that is what the previous gvmt did and you can't deny it unless your glasses are a rosie red tinted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 And let's not forget the reason why these cuts are necessary. The banking crisis blah blah blah. It's all about living way out of your means and that is what the previous gvmt did and you can't deny it unless your glasses are a rosie red tinted. How strange then that Gideon accepted that the world events and the banking crisis were major factors. But of course your "blue" tinted spectacles would not see that would they? Interesting that you try and dismiss the banking crisis to try and justify these idealogical attacks on certain elements of the UK society. I suppose the cuts that other countries are undertaking are all due to Labour also, or maybe they are different to the issues that we are trying to resolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 And nothing the Labour government contributed to the banking crisis? The fact that the FSA was regulating the biggest financial services market in the world for example (ie like putting a new born baby in charge of a pack of wolves). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 The general consensus is that it will be the poorer of society that will be hit hardest. I think that its the most vulnerable who will be hit hardest. I am not sure that the bitter pill that needed to be swallowed at some time could ever avoid this fully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4rvillan Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Funny Drat how Gordon and Labour claimed to have ended 'Boom and Bust' during the global economic upturn yet were very quick to embrace the global downturn to apportion the blame. Can you argue that during their term in office that they did live within their means then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 i think they need to stop the cuts after this its getting a bit too much but does anyone think it would be any different under labour? if they didnt do this they would have done one of two things 1) increase taxes even more something they havent done barring the vat 2) continued spending making us even worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4rvillan Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 2) continued spending making us even worse But everyone knows that when you have a deficit to fill, borrowing more money is the best option. Oh well, you'll pay back even more interest but hey as long as people who earn over £44,000 still get their child benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Mark Steel@The Indy"]And yet no matter how vicious these cuts become, all the parties insist it would be wrong to protest or strike to try and curtail them, because they're being made by an elected government. But if they're doing things they promised not to do they've been elected fraudulently. In any case this is the thinking that got us into this mess. Most people are aware the people being made to pay for the debt aren't those who caused it, but we're resigned to putting up with it. Ministers could march round hospital wards ripping out drips and catheters and kidney machines, and we'd say to the patients, "You'd better put up with it dear, they do have a mandate." They could announce chemotherapy patients have to pay for their treatment by selling their bald heads for advertising space, and the level of protest would be a letter to The Times signed by 37 doctors and a treasurer at the BMA in a personal capacity. Whereas in France they're running up and down the street and striking and setting fire to random objects and their cuts haven't even started yet. It's as if this is their warm-up match to get in practice and decide on the best formation for the real tournament. The Spanish have had a general strike, the Greeks are in a state of permanent revolt, and even the Belgians have had strikes and mass demonstrations. How humiliating is that? We're being put to shame by the bloody Belgians. How did we become so subservient and docile? It's as if the rest of Europe is preparing for mass protest and our slogan is, "I can't make it I'm afraid, I've got a tummy ache." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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