colhint Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 well its a phrase first used by a Richard Best, a crossbencher in the Lords, taken up by the Labour party. A phrase rejected by Cameron in the Commons asking Milliband how it can possibly be a tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Yes thanks for that....but its still not a tax is it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Arguing over semantics in the House of Parliament? No wonder we're ****. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 well its a phrase first used by a Richard Best, a crossbencher in the Lords, taken up by the Labour party. A phrase rejected by Cameron in the Commons asking Milliband how it can possibly be a tax. i saw that as cross dresser for some reason and thought why should that have any baring on his opinion the left wing BBC have said it's not a tax but "bedroom tax" does roll off the tongue better than " who the **** thought up this barking mad policy " 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Arguing over semantics in the House of Parliament? No wonder we're ****. To be fair, as that's where laws are made, it is rather the place for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 2, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted April 2, 2013 17,000 social housing units in Birmingham are under occupied, there are a mere 400 units free for those inhabitants to downscale to Well thought out or headline grabbing bullshit policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 So has Osborne dropped the 'aspiration nation' stuff and gone back to 'strivers versus skivers'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Interesting seeing some of the comments on here of late and then reading some of the di canio stuff. The definitions of fascism and the beliefs of ukip and their supporters certainly do make a similar pairing. Also to see tony describe the bbc as left wing as some sort of 'insult' is very funny. I am supposing that political big wigs like robinson (ex young tory leader) and marr are left wing? Also yes it is a tax as ddid says its all words but bottom line is still that the poorer will be hit by this and is in reality a tax. Maybe that other tory tax, the poll tax wasnt a tax either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) Interesting seeing some of the comments on here of late and then reading some of the di canio stuff. The definitions of fascism and the beliefs of ukip and their supporters certainly do make a similar pairing. Also to see tony describe the bbc as left wing as some sort of 'insult' is very funny. I am supposing that political big wigs like robinson (ex young tory leader) and marr are left wing? Also yes it is a tax as ddid says its all words but bottom line is still that the poorer will be hit by this and is in reality a tax. Maybe that other tory tax, the poll tax wasnt a tax either? 31,000 posts and a long standing VT gag / meme that someone with 12 posts would have got goes straight over your head ..for shame Edited April 2, 2013 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Francis Maude, old but funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Arguing over semantics in the House of Parliament? No wonder we're ****. To be fair, as that's where laws are made, it is rather the place for it. I'm sure you know what I mean. "It's a tax", "oh no it isn't", "he's behind you!" etc etc. The pantomime rolls on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Interesting seeing some of the comments on here of late and then reading some of the di canio stuff. The definitions of fascism and the beliefs of ukip and their supporters certainly do make a similar pairing. Oh Drat. Please, make me laugh some more and explain how the definition of fascism and the policies of UKIP are similar? This should be hilarious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I'm sure you know what I mean. "It's a tax", "oh no it isn't", "he's behind you!" etc etc.The pantomime rolls on.I think it depends whether the argument over semantics is intended to obfuscate or to illuminate (I think 'the bedroom tax v under-occupation penalty v whatever else someone wants to call it' is the former, btw). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Interesting seeing some of the comments on here of late and then reading some of the di canio stuff. The definitions of fascism and the beliefs of ukip and their supporters certainly do make a similar pairing. Oh Drat. Please, make me laugh some more and explain how the definition of fascism and the policies of UKIP are similar? This should be hilarious. Nigel Farage has pledged to make the trains run on time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 (edited) In response to the petition for him to spend a year living on £53 a week (after his claim on Radio 4 that he could if he had to (not verbatim)), in his local rag Duncan Smith has called it a 'complete stunt'. A similar phrase springs to mind more often than not when his name comes up. Edit: In light of the history of porkies surrounding his CV, I wonder just how well his claim to know what it's like living 'on the breadline' because of his two periods of unemployment would hold up too. Edited April 2, 2013 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Interesting seeing some of the comments on here of late and then reading some of the di canio stuff. The definitions of fascism and the beliefs of ukip and their supporters certainly do make a similar pairing. Oh Drat. Please, make me laugh some more and explain how the definition of fascism and the policies of UKIP are similar? This should be hilarious. Nigel Farage has pledged to make the trains run on time. it's 2013 and the age of the interweb surely nobody still believes that Mussolini myth !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Interesting seeing some of the comments on here of late and then reading some of the di canio stuff. The definitions of fascism and the beliefs of ukip and their supporters certainly do make a similar pairing. Oh Drat. Please, make me laugh some more and explain how the definition of fascism and the policies of UKIP are similar? This should be hilarious. Nigel Farage has pledged to make the trains run on time. it's 2013 and the age of the interweb surely nobody still believes that Mussolini myth !! Just like the moon landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 In response to the petition for him to spend a year living on £53 a week (after his claim on Radio 4 that he could if he had to (not verbatim)), in his local rag Duncan Smith has called it a 'complete stunt'. A similar phrase springs to mind more often than not when his name comes up. Edit: In light of the history of porkies surrounding his CV, I wonder just how well his claim to know what it's like living 'on the breadline' because of his two periods of unemployment would hold up too. didn't he go on some CH4 show a few years back where he lived with a low income person ? iirc he wimped out early citing work commitments ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I remembered that, too, but I checked and the reports said that his wife was diagnosed with cancer and that's why he left (replaced by Dorries!), which is fair enough. I don't have any time for him but even I wouldn't think that bad of him to believe he'd make that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I'm sure you know what I mean. "It's a tax", "oh no it isn't", "he's behind you!" etc etc. The pantomime rolls on.I think it depends whether the argument over semantics is intended to obfuscate or to illuminate (I think 'the bedroom tax v under-occupation penalty v whatever else someone wants to call it' is the former, btw). I have 'liked' this and also, thank you for the new word. Obfuscate. Ob•fus•cate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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