Eames Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 My tuppence on the sentencing - the Judge IMO has got it about right. Pryce is less culpable but for not admitting her clear and obvious guilt, deserves the sentence she recieved. Huhne has more aggravating factors than price but the credit for the plea will have saved him a couple of months inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 12, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted March 12, 2013 In cases like this there ought to be a codicil to the sentence that they are banned from taking out any book or newspaper publishing deals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 YES!! Think of how many Jeffrey Archer novels we could have been spared.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Mansion Tax is meh. I'd rather see Land Value Tax or something along those lines. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Mansion Tax is meh. I'd rather see Land Value Tax or something along those lines.I'd rather politicians of all stripes stopped inventing more ways to tax people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) I'd rather taxes were fairer and without so many loopholes. But there is a fundamental difference in mind-set at play, between those who believe they own their wealth and those who don't. I don't. Money is meant to flow, not get gathered up (to what end I'm not entirely sure). Edited March 12, 2013 by CarewsEyebrowDesigner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I'd rather taxes were fairer so a capped rate of tax then so that everyone pays the same rate ... couldn't agree more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I'd rather taxes were fairer and without so many loopholes.Can't disagree with that. But there is a fundamental difference in mind-set at play, between those who believe they own their wealth and those who don't. I don't. Money is meant to flow, not get gathered upIf you'd be kind enough to PM me your bank account details and sort code I'll do you the service of removing and spending any wealth therein. It's not like you actually own it anyway. After that please send your address then leave your front door open tonight and I'll see who wants to help liberate the property you don't own.Oh wait, that's a bloody ridiculous idea, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I'd rather have millionaires pay more and not get a tax break. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 So are the lib Dems damaged by not backing labours "cynical games" over mansion tax ... Or will they gain support for taking one for the team and keeping the coalition in place ? ( taking away the main VT view on the merits of the coalition for one moment ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 The Lib Dems were damaged well before this, they're just desperately clinging to their little bit of 'power'. Horrible, spineless little party, I'm looking forward to UKIP overtaking them in 3rd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 as we like to stereotype political party's by the actions of 1 individual on VT .. does this now make Labour the Anti-Semitic party Labour peer Lord Ahmed has been suspended by the party as it launched an investigation into claims he blamed a Jewish conspiracy for his jail term. runs for cover ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 as we like to stereotype political party's by the actions of 1 individual on VT .. does this now make Labour the Anti-Semitic party Labour peer Lord Ahmed has been suspended by the party as it launched an investigation into claims he blamed a Jewish conspiracy for his jail term. runs for cover ...... loved his holding statement this morning on Radio 4, I paraphrase, but what it came over as was 'ooh ****, didn't think anybody here would see that tv interview, I, er, I, I'll get back to you...' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 The Lib Dems were damaged well before this, they're just desperately clinging to their little bit of 'power'. Horrible, spineless little party, I'm looking forward to UKIP overtaking them in 3rd. that's a tad unfair. They hadn't been in power for about a century, so of course they would give up principals to get it. Similar to Blair changing the labour party from what it was to what it is, just to get elected. Same with the Tories, Cameron turning into the new Blair to get elected. Its no good thinking any of them would have done any different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 The Lib Dems were damaged well before this, they're just desperately clinging to their little bit of 'power'. Horrible, spineless little party, I'm looking forward to UKIP overtaking them in 3rd. that's a tad unfair. They hadn't been in power for about a century, so of course they would give up principals to get it. Similar to Blair changing the labour party from what it was to what it is, just to get elected. Same with the Tories, Cameron turning into the new Blair to get elected. Its no good thinking any of them would have done any different. hey, you're not welcome here if you're going to start throwing reason and logic and fairness around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 I don't think the Lib Dems are that damaged. They have a loyal support base and many still see them as the best of a bad bunch. I can't stand that bloke Tim Farron though. Something rather eel-like about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 The Lib Dems were damaged well before this, they're just desperately clinging to their little bit of 'power'. Horrible, spineless little party, I'm looking forward to UKIP overtaking them in 3rd. that's a tad unfair. They hadn't been in power for about a century, so of course they would give up principals to get it. Similar to Blair changing the labour party from what it was to what it is, just to get elected. Same with the Tories, Cameron turning into the new Blair to get elected. Its no good thinking any of them would have done any different. They've given up all of their principals. What contribution have they made to this government? When they joined the Tories I thought "Well at least they might curb some the havoc the Tories will no doubt bring" but no, they just lay down time and time again for their masters putting up no fight at all. There would be no Tory government without the Lib Dems but they just do not use this fact to force their own policies and opinions. Even when Labour bring up policies that the Lib Dems put into their own manifesto, they won't back them. They are just watered down Tories who serve no purpose other than to prop up this weak, incompetent government. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 14, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted March 14, 2013 I don't think the Lib Dems are that damaged. They have a loyal support base and many still see them as the best of a bad bunch. I can't stand that bloke Tim Farron though. Something rather eel-like about him. The leftist activist side of the party is in mental tatters. That be the people on the ground that do the donkey work. I see schism ahead for the Libs, the left of the party have no choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 The Lib Dems were damaged well before this, they're just desperately clinging to their little bit of 'power'. Horrible, spineless little party, I'm looking forward to UKIP overtaking them in 3rd. that's a tad unfair. They hadn't been in power for about a century, so of course they would give up principals to get it. Similar to Blair changing the labour party from what it was to what it is, just to get elected. Same with the Tories, Cameron turning into the new Blair to get elected. Its no good thinking any of them would have done any different. They've given up all of their principals. What contribution have they made to this government? When they joined the Tories I thought "Well at least they might curb some the havoc the Tories will no doubt bring" but no, they just lay down time and time again for their masters putting up no fight at all. There would be no Tory government without the Lib Dems but they just do not use this fact to force their own policies and opinions. Even when Labour bring up policies that the Lib Dems put into their own manifesto, they won't back them. They are just watered down Tories who serve no purpose other than to prop up this weak, incompetent government. I think that's rather naive really. Did they want to get in power, yes. Regardless of principle, yes. Do what's right for the future or do whats right to get re elected yes. I was talking about the Labour party actually, no I mean the Tories, no who was it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 The Lib Dems were damaged well before this, they're just desperately clinging to their little bit of 'power'. Horrible, spineless little party, I'm looking forward to UKIP overtaking them in 3rd. that's a tad unfair. They hadn't been in power for about a century, so of course they would give up principals to get it. Similar to Blair changing the labour party from what it was to what it is, just to get elected. Same with the Tories, Cameron turning into the new Blair to get elected. Its no good thinking any of them would have done any different. They've given up all of their principals. What contribution have they made to this government? When they joined the Tories I thought "Well at least they might curb some the havoc the Tories will no doubt bring" but no, they just lay down time and time again for their masters putting up no fight at all. There would be no Tory government without the Lib Dems but they just do not use this fact to force their own policies and opinions. Even when Labour bring up policies that the Lib Dems put into their own manifesto, they won't back them. They are just watered down Tories who serve no purpose other than to prop up this weak, incompetent government. I think that's rather naive really. Did they want to get in power, yes. Regardless of principle, yes. Do what's right for the future or do whats right to get re elected yes. I was talking about the Labour party actually, no I mean the Tories, no who was it again. They've given everything up for what, to say that they are in Government? It's a very hollow claim, they are just there to make up the numbers and keep their mouths shut. They have been shown up for what hey really are they are going to lose many seats at the next General Election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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