Popular Post snowychap Posted February 9, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2015 Is that from the Ladybird guide to politics? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tonyh29 Posted February 9, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2015 Is that from the Ladybird guide to politics? I believe it's correct title is " The labour party manifesto" these days 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted February 9, 2015 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2015 Is that from the Ladybird guide to politics? I believe it's correct title is " The labour party manifesto" these days Have a like for the humour, not the sentiment 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 9, 2015 Moderator Share Posted February 9, 2015 So if EVERYONE is so corrupt and for TTIP, hiding money, deregulating markets which pretty much NEED to be regulated - what hope does a voter have,.....? The irony is that Lefties who constantly complain about corrupt government and venal MPs, want more government and higher taxes to pay for it. Another post to which the answer is No. And on a number of levels. Taking, say, oh, I dunno, "banking" - my perception is that "lefties" (but not just lefties") want more regulation, whereas bankers and those in their pay want "the market to govern" (what pay or behaviours are adopted. And I think the current and recent years discussions have been a lot about not so much "more taxation", but rather about less avoidance/evasion of current taxes. There's also been a long held discourse about "if you want a better NHS (or whatever else) it's got to be paid for. Which might mean taxes, it's true. But again it's not just mung bean munching lefties who hold that view. There's widespread acceptance that the free market is not able or willing or suitable as a means of arriving at the best outcome for all of us, overall. There's also a widely held view that both tories and labour want to have more state control over various kinds of stuff that "lefties" don't think they should - whether it's snooping on our e mails and telephones, CCTV cameras, ID cards, vehicle tracking - just 1984 like monitoring and control of the people of the country. Us serving them, rather than the other way round. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 9, 2015 Author Moderator Share Posted February 9, 2015 Personally speaking I'd rather that the regulation was as independent of government as it can be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 My father in law gets a letter threatening debt collectors at his door after a genuine error by his accountant said he owed £1500 in tax from 3 years ago. Millions (maybe billions) of pounds of lost tax revenue hidden away deliberately and the powers that be are not sure whether they should try and recover it. Sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Well I for one am comforted and reassured that HSBC say they now place staying within the law above profit. I hope that's the end of the matter and we can all move on without the need for nuisance legislation or governance. After all, if you can't trust the bank, who can you trust? I'll happily keep my pound in my pocket now they've reformed. No point in spending tax money chasing down reformed characters over some historic odd n sods.. Edited February 9, 2015 by chrisp65 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 "We must make the changes we need to make so that we ensure our economic recovery works for everyone." "All working people should share fairly in the growing wealth of the country. That means, as the economy grows, the wages of everyday working people grow at the same rate." We will raise the minimum wage by £1.50 an hour by 2020. To over £8 an hour." thoughts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted February 10, 2015 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2015 It's bolliticodrivel isn't it.. Dunno who said it, mind, or whenWe must do the things we need to do. - By Jove, that's a revelation!. All working people should share fairly in the growing wealth of the country. - If a tory said it, it's massively taking the piss, since they'll be the only Gov't ever where people (not rich folk, but the rest) are worse off at the end of their 5 years than at the start. That means, as the economy grows, the wages of everyday working people grow at the same rate - Ah yes, say 2% growth means 2% pay rise. Hurrah for me. Bonuses and remuneration for directors are up 14% or so, you say? yes, well chaps need an incentive, you see.. We will raise the minimum wage by £1.50 an hour by 2020. To over £8 an hour." 8 pounds and hour, In 5 years time. I can't wait. I'll run out and vote for a hollow promise of something that'll be a few pence different in 5 years, for sure. That's me sold. No, no I don't want roads, hospitals, schools or any of that fluff. Who needs 'em eh? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) The living wage is currently £7.85 I think. I'd imagine in 5 years time that will be well over £9.00. That £8.00 figure is therefore hardly an aspirational goal is it. Edited February 10, 2015 by markavfc40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) I'll give you a clue A) David Cameron B.) Ed Milliband C) Both of them the words quoted were by Ed , but Cameron used almost exactly the same words today to The Chamber of commerce same speech , different colour tie ... Edited February 10, 2015 by tonyh29 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Hence UKIP, the Greens and other similar fringe nutters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I liked Iannucci's comments but I also thought Wollaston's effort (though maybe not what we would all like to hear - including the silly stuff about ISAa) was a pretty decent performance on the HSBC/tax avoidance thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 the way to stop us cheating is to get the tax payer to fund our campaigns and party admin ahh yes, the only two possible options, fraud or state funding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 the way to stop us cheating is to get the tax payer to fund our campaigns and party admin ahh yes, the only two possible options, fraud or state funding It may turn out to be much cheaper in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 awesome UKIP woman 'Ukraine isn't even in europe' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 awesome UKIP woman 'Ukraine isn't even in europe' Not been watching but could she have meant in the EU sense ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 awesome UKIP woman 'Ukraine isn't even in europe' Not been watching but could she have meant in the EU sense ? No. She was specifically referring to how she felt the crisis in Ukraine was the fault of aggressive EU expansionism and Putin was only understandably trying to protect his sphere of influence in the 'Russian' area. After all, Ukraine isn't even in europe. Clearly meant in a geographical sense. Turns out, she is responsible for writing their manifesto. She looked genuinely perplexed when people gave a nervous laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 13, 2015 Author Moderator Share Posted February 13, 2015 Pretty dumb not to know that Ukraine is actually the LARGEST country entirely contained within the European landmass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Did I miss a bit of this Lord Fink story? He was on the news the other night stood on some steps somewhere calling out Ed Milliband. Come out here and say that and I'll do you. Or words to that effect. Turns out now he has had a little think and said he was indeed involved in tax avoidance, but only a bit, and anyway, everyone does it. Dodgy pillock. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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