thetrees Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 ...no one seems to gove a toss... I see where you're coming from. The word "Gove" is associated with "toss" in my mind, too. (Laughing thingy) I could have set that up for you, but genuinely didn't. Cracking pick up though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers13 Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 How bad are the bnp? do you mean bad as in cool, sick, wicked? or do you mean incompetent and poorly run? or do you mean racist mother **** mental ex National Front scum petty criminal incestuous bad? Ummmm... I guess the third one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) How bad are the bnp? do you mean bad as in cool, sick, wicked? or do you mean incompetent and poorly run? or do you mean racist mother **** mental ex National Front scum petty criminal incestuous bad? Ummmm... I guess the third one. well, they were formed by ex members of the national front and allowed ex members of the british movement to join they realised that the blatant thuggery and reliance on football hooliganism to whip up support was not going to cut it anymore, so they decided to go 'legit' if you are second or third generation british, but black, they want you to **** off back to where your granddad came from that'll be little nick, leader of the bnp, in a white power tee Edited March 22, 2014 by chrisp65 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Careful what you two say, he's keeping his eyes on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers13 Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Now i find it disturbing I agreed with them on something in that vote for policies quiz. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 ah I wouldn't worry about that, the wording of policies is deliberately framed to be difficult to disagree with it's the reality of what any of these parties would actually be likely to do in power that's the interesting bit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 How Nick Griffin is an elected MEP is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 To be fair he was probably the only voter to turn up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Big business has more of a say on how the country is run than you or I. It seems Caroline Lucas yet again is the only one trying to hold the government to account. Labour have become so impotent (complicit) it's untrue. Here's an article on how 'close' the relationship between the government and Cuadrilla is. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/mar/21/owen-paterson-urgent-meeting-fracking-cuadrilla-lord-browne?CMP=twt_gu 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Now i find it disturbing I agreed with them on something in that vote for policies quiz. Don't be disturbed. Just as with the National Socialists in 1930s Germany, these people are socialists, with the glaringly obvious major difference. Once you get away from their major single policy of hate, any other 'policies' that they may come up with tend to be pretty far left of most. One of the consequences of PR, should it ever come, is that groups like these may have some presence on the higher political stage, which is frightening, but then I guess that's democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted March 23, 2014 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2014 ...these people are socialists.. Not really. They have no chance of power, so they say things which appeal, or might appeal to their target audience outside of those who'd vote for them for purely racist reasons. so they say things which might appeal to folk who are unaware of their extreme racist nature. Folk who might be alarmed by immigration or multi-cultural nature of our society, but aren't outright racist. They're basically scooping for support from as wide an audience as they can get, and they use seemingly "fair" stuff to try and pull in that audience. They're not for actual fairness, obviously, or for actually treating people equally. That much is self evident, I'd have thought. They're no more socialist or left wing than [insert name of right wing, but non-racist party of your choosing]. They're not about standing up for poor folk who are non-white, they cannot be socialist by definition, whatever they or others might say. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Just a quick one on Nick Griffin. Anyone that missed his appearance on Question Time a few years back I'd urge you to watch it. He shown himself up for the absolute tool that he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 It was a nice try, in a Rugby sense because he has scored one there. It is typical right wing thinking - "Oh no, that might affect me!" me, me me. So in your world, when politicians of all colours going into the next general election, ask people to consider the issues that affect them, then ALL of the politicians, and ALL of the electorate are right wing. Because that's what people will be asked to vote on, particularly by Labour, the issues that affect them. So because a politician asks me to think of myself and only myself, that automatically makes me do so, thus confining me to the individualistic hell that is the right wing? How about I ignore them and cast my vote based on which party I believe will further benefit society as a whole? Am I not allowed to do that? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 "Budget Amongst Greatest Ever" - Iain Duncan Smith Trying to put comedians out of work now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 I am experiencing a strange new sensation. For the first time, I feel a tiny twinge of sympathy for the pathetic Grant Crapps. He's taken all the flak for the ludicrous bingo advert, but apparently it was Osborne who was behind it. Crapps only endorsed, supported and promoted it. The "brain" work was Osborne's. Which only underlines that it's not one bloke's momentary aberration, but the world view of the tory cabal running the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Crapps looks like a sinister Robert Webb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Crapps looks like a sinister Robert Webb. Is that another of his many identities? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 It could well be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Out of interest on the pension changes, does anyone know what impact it has with regard to asset limits for financial assessment, i.e. now that it is an 'option' to draw down as much of it as you wish, will people be expected to use their pension pot to pay for care fees/care home fees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) ...these people are socialists..Not really. They have no chance of power, so they say things which appeal, or might appeal to their target audience outside of those who'd vote for them for purely racist reasons. so they say things which might appeal to folk who are unaware of their extreme racist nature. Folk who might be alarmed by immigration or multi-cultural nature of our society, but aren't outright racist. They're basically scooping for support from as wide an audience as they can get, and they use seemingly "fair" stuff to try and pull in that audience. They're not for actual fairness, obviously, or for actually treating people equally. That much is self evident, I'd have thought. They're no more socialist or left wing than [insert name of right wing, but non-racist party of your choosing]. They're not about standing up for poor folk who are non-white, they cannot be socialist by definition, whatever they or others might say. Exactly, which is why they tap into the poorer, so called 'working class' areas, and which is why what 'success' they have enjoyed has been in such areas. Your typical BNP voter, and fortunately there are not too many of them, would otherwise vote Labour. Edited March 23, 2014 by thetrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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