Kingfisher Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 There will be a 19p increase in the minimum wage from October.... Tory's the party for 'hard working people'? Really? I don't think so, I'd say that it is derisory and quite frankly insulting. Tory's cleaning up the mess. It's an extra £370 a year for the average worker. The average worker. No. It will be a small benefit for the very very lowest paid and only as much as £370 for a full time worker on NMW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 It will have gone up from £5.93 to £6.50 since Oct 2010. Pretty much in line with most increases since the NMW was introduced. Bearing in mind the relative strengths of the economy in the years concerned, it only went up 20p between October 2004 and 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 What I don't get is why those of a more right-leaning persuasion are against the minimum wage. Public spending is going into benefits for the lowest-paid, and a lot of benefit claimants are in work. This is a public subsidy to the shabbiest employers, at the expense of the rest of us, and it's a subsidy which distorts the market by helping some employers and not others. Why would that be a good thing? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted March 12, 2014 Moderator Share Posted March 12, 2014 I guess it depends who you mean by "those". I'f I recall correctly the Tory party originally opposed the NMW but have since accepted they were wrong to do so. The news today would seem to suggest that it has gone full circle by agreeing the 3% increase against the level of inflation. I'm personally certainly not on the right of the political spectrum but as someone who works for an SME and an employer of not a small number of NMW workers the rise poses us problems even through on a personal level I agree with it. I don't agree with your conclusion that employers that pay NMW are "the shabbiest employers" by the way or that benefits are subsidy for these employers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 As I wrote way back whenever, the only problem that I have with the minimum wage is that it becomes THE wage. Normally, as economies recover, there is competition for workers, with better wages and benefits offered by companies. But with an open borders EU, our minimum wage is very attractive to workers from economies in eastern and southern Europe so, no matter how well the economy is doing, there will not be that rise in wages that is caused by simple supply and demand. Demand goes up, and more supply is shipped in. In principle a good idea and a wonderful thing. In practice, I am not sure that it achieves what it is intended to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted March 12, 2014 Moderator Share Posted March 12, 2014 I think it does achieve what was was intended but perhaps not everything people hoped it would and it also with other factors such as migration has some unintended consequences. I would still much rather the NMW existed than a total free market when it comes to wages otherwise I hate to think what would have happened these last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Risso Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 What I don't get is why those of a more right-leaning persuasion are against the minimum wage. Public spending is going into benefits for the lowest-paid, and a lot of benefit claimants are in work. This is a public subsidy to the shabbiest employers, at the expense of the rest of us, and it's a subsidy which distorts the market by helping some employers and not others. Why would that be a good thing? The last Labour government via the EU was kind enough to provide a near unlimited supply of labour only too happy to work for minimum wage for shabby employers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Imagine if MP's were paid as much as he was... that would be a talking point.there is a great article on they're of his wages think it was in the Indy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Shame that extra 19p won't make much of a dent in the high prices of, well, everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I was amused to find that in Switzerland, where I believe that presently there is no minimum wage, that those who campaigned for a MW suggested £30k a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Bob Crow was an utter cock, but I certainly wouldn't wish him dead. RIP. Why, for taking a stand against those who are trying to make a big profit at the expense of working people? I thought that he was for the tube train drivers, not against them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Bob Crow was an utter cock, but I certainly wouldn't wish him dead. RIP. Why, for taking a stand against those who are trying to make a big profit at the expense of working people? I thought that he was for the tube train drivers, not against them Ah yes, it's the tube drivers who decide who loses their jobs and how much ticket prices should rocket by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Bob Crow was an utter cock, but I certainly wouldn't wish him dead. RIP. Why, for taking a stand against those who are trying to make a big profit at the expense of working people? I thought that he was for the tube train drivers, not against them Ah yes, it's the tube drivers who decide who loses their jobs and how much ticket prices should rocket by. I guess by their pay demands, they perhaps do have a bearing on ticket prices. In the end, they make a lot of money, and good luck to them. But 'working class' they certainly are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Imagine if MP's were paid as much as he was... that would be a talking point. there is a great article on they're of his wages think it was in the Indy I afforded myself a wry smile yesterday. Had a prominently positioned person of the non-left suffered such a premature demise, then there would be left ranters calling for scrutinisation of his expenses, to determine how much rich food and expensive wine had contributed to said demise. But that's the nice thing about the champagne of socialism. It's always free and completely unquestionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Perhaps you should read what you post rather than what you think is posted. I agree with the above inflation rise but it is a matter of fact that said rise will have an impact upon labour costs. That will to some extent or another have an impact upon both public and private sector employers and potentially on their willingness or ability to recruit. I would love to see something to support the notion that most people living in poverty will be earning more than next years NMW. Your last line literally makes no sense.In short I said October's rise is so small it's irrelevant. It won't effect employers. A rise to the living wage level of I think around £7.75 would have an effect on small businesses which could be absorbed by reduced rates. The NHS is an interesting example. The problems the NHS are facing and are going to face are those created by Labour and now the Tories through these crazy PFI schemes not the cleaners at the bottom. And in short I'm saying you are talking utter rubbish if you think a 3% rise in NWM will have no affect upon employers. As for the living wage being absorbed by reduced rates... I'd love to see how that one would work. As for the rest of this post about the NHS and PFI that really has nothing to do with the topic of NMW.You think I'm talking utter rubbish then immediately attribute to me a conclusion I never even gave. I propose a rise, in conjunction with other policies, up to a living wage. ...'Oh no that's impossible, unworkable blah blah blah'. It's funny how everything is impossible - until it comes to fleecing the poorest, that's dead easy, it seems. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Imagine if MP's were paid as much as he was... that would be a talking point. there is a great article on they're of his wages think it was in the Indy I afforded myself a wry smile yesterday. Had a prominently positioned person of the non-left suffered such a premature demise, then there would be left ranters calling for scrutinisation of his expenses, to determine how much rich food and expensive wine had contributed to said demise. But that's the nice thing about the champagne of socialism. It's always free and completely unquestionable. Interestingly I think you are mixing up your perceptions of accountability and scrutiny. Could show real examples of the assumptions you are making especially based on political leanings? The wry smile is on my face especially when right wingers resort to the silly name likes "champagne socialism", shows a complete and utter weakness IMO in their argument. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Just for clarity re his wages that seem to preoccupy the right wing maybe a read of this may sort of clear up some of the myth http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2014/03/12/the-myth-of-bob-crows-145000-salary/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Imagine if MP's were paid as much as he was... that would be a talking point. there is a great article on they're of his wages think it was in the Indy I afforded myself a wry smile yesterday. Had a prominently positioned person of the non-left suffered such a premature demise, then there would be left ranters calling for scrutinisation of his expenses, to determine how much rich food and expensive wine had contributed to said demise. But that's the nice thing about the champagne of socialism. It's always free and completely unquestionable. I think you're struggling with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Imagine if MP's were paid as much as he was... that would be a talking point. there is a great article on they're of his wages think it was in the Indy I afforded myself a wry smile yesterday. Had a prominently positioned person of the non-left suffered such a premature demise, then there would be left ranters calling for scrutinisation of his expenses, to determine how much rich food and expensive wine had contributed to said demise. But that's the nice thing about the champagne of socialism. It's always free and completely unquestionable. I think you're struggling with this one. Probably the champagne I had earlier :-) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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