Papillon Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 If liverpool don't replace Suarez, West ham would likely finish higher than them in the table. I don't agree. I will say if they don't sort the situation out then they'll have missed a trick because this should be a season of consolidation and progression for them. However, Liverpool got better results (i.e. points per game and scored more per game) last season when Suarez was not in their side than when he was. It could be a bit like van Nistelrooy at Man Utd. Scored a shedload by himself but very much to the detriment of the overall team's fortunes. That is very isolated though, many factors in there. In no way would Liverpool finish better off without Suarez for the entire season (last season), it's a bit like saying Man Utd would do better without Van Persie, Barca without Messi and Real Madrid without Ronaldo. Sure over a short time-span they could do well, the rest of the players would really understand the trouble they are in without their best players and focus is sharpened. However, over a season, no way. Besides, last season Suarez played in 33 out of 38 games, which were the five games where they did so well without him? Of course he didn't play the last four games when the season was already over, beating teams like Newcastle, QPR and Fulham. QPR were already down, Fulham had nothing to play for, and Newcastle were in the middle of their abysmal run. All in all, if they had played Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham they would have course not taken as many points. I don't know which game is the last one he missed, but obviously this points-pr-game statistics is completely worthless when it comes to Suarez last season. Without him they would have been 10th or something like that, in my opinion. Sturridge arrived late, were they going to rely on the injured Borini to uphold these excellent stats without Suarez? Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I don't think Liverpool are terribly convincing, either. Fortunately for them I can't see Everton improve, so they'll grab 6th by virtue of being just a bit better than the rest, but miles behind the teams above them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Downing will do well at west ham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 liverpool buying Siquiera from Granada with the Downing money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArteSuave Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 liverpool buying Siquiera from Granada with the Downing money I can't recall ever seeing him play. Any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 not really no much about him myself. he is a brazilian left back which they have been chasing all summer and used to play for Udinese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted August 14, 2013 Moderator Share Posted August 14, 2013 That is very isolated though, many factors in there. In no way would Liverpool finish better off without Suarez for the entire season (last season), it's a bit like saying Man Utd would do better without Van Persie, Barca without Messi and Real Madrid without Ronaldo. Sure over a short time-span they could do well, the rest of the players would really understand the trouble they are in without their best players and focus is sharpened. However, over a season, no way. Besides, last season Suarez played in 33 out of 38 games, which were the five games where they did so well without him? Of course he didn't play the last four games when the season was already over, beating teams like Newcastle, QPR and Fulham. QPR were already down, Fulham had nothing to play for, and Newcastle were in the middle of their abysmal run. All in all, if they had played Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham they would have course not taken as many points. I don't know which game is the last one he missed, but obviously this points-pr-game statistics is completely worthless when it comes to Suarez last season. Without him they would have been 10th or something like that, in my opinion. Sturridge arrived late, were they going to rely on the injured Borini to uphold these excellent stats without Suarez? Makes no sense.It's not necessarily the same as saying Barca without Messi etc at all. There are certain players who dominate a side's style to the detriment of that side. Not every 'best' player does that. We saw Spurs last season for example capitulate rather than flourish when Bale was injured. Liverpool couldn't stop scoring and winning without Suarez. It's only when the player does go missing that you see how they'll cope without him. At the very least even if you don't agree with the scale of my point, we have at least seen some evidence that his absence won't be quite as disastrous as some 'pool fans might have feared beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 LB isn't really a problem area for them though is it? I thought Enrique was ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 LB isn't really a problem area for them though is it? I thought Enrique was ok I think its more of a cover option for Enrique because I think he is their only left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 14, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted August 14, 2013 City after Pepe for 20m. Crazy money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Spurs in discussions with Roma for Lamela, surely that means that Bale is off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Spurs in discussions with Roma for Lamela, surely that means that Bale is off? You'd certainly have thought so. Though it's only really being reported in The Mail, so I doubt there's anything to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 City after Pepe for 20m. Crazy money. just what the Premier League needs if happens I pray he connects Suarez, Terry, Gerrard, Downing or some other word removed with his "tackles" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 City after Pepe for 20m. Crazy money. just what the Premier League needs if happens I pray he connects Suarez, Terry, Gerrard, Downing or some other word removed with his "tackles" Could be a good signing, but could also stifle the progress of the promising Nastasic. Has the attributes to do well in the Premier League though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 need a squad for Champions League. Isnt Nastasic carrying an injury as well. Only Kompany is fit and Toure is gone. Lescott I think is not wanted by this manager either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Spurs are a few defenders short of being a title challenger imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 need another striker too IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted August 14, 2013 Moderator Share Posted August 14, 2013 Huddlestone has just gone to Hull City. Standard 'good signing if fit' comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 linked with Deeney today though I think Defoe adn Adebayor are capable backup to Soldado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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