Zatman Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 dont think he would especially when you look at who the Bayern manager is, who Thiago agent is and relationship between Thiago and Pep is probably strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 17, 2013 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2013 My point stands though. Moyes is not the attraction that Fergie was. And it's looking like his football won't be that attractive either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I fully understand your point BOF, and to some extent I agree with you, but it's still Manchester United. When the relatively unknown at the time Tito Villanova took over from the very successful Guardiola, world class players were still going to Barcelona. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 17, 2013 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2013 but it's still Manchester United. When the relatively unknown at the time Tito Villanova took over from the very successful Guardiola, world class players were still going to Barcelona. Time will tell.Which is why I said "it's still United and they'll get 90% of what they want" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) John Obi Mikel looks to be leaving Chelsea this summer. I am surprised a player of his ability survived for so long in such a top team. He's had a few good games but overall he is not up to the required standard for title chasers. A good example of a player who was carried. Of course that night in Munich he was one of Chelseas better player's with only Drogba and Cech playing better. Edited July 17, 2013 by Voinjama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He is a complicated player, the Mikel for Chelsea and MIkel for NIgeria are absolute different players, Mourinho arguably ruined him like Rafa did with Lucas and arguably Fergie did with Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 17, 2013 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2013 I must admit I'm with Voinjama on that one. I don't doubt that he'd probably sail into our team but I've struggled to see how they continue to use him. I think they initially gambled on a physical freak of nature at that young age in the hope that he'd continue that progression and turn into an absolute beast, but it has never really happened. They have Essien back this season who I think is streets ahead of JOM in every department; and it was Jose that brought him to Real so you'd have to assume he likes the guy and will use him a lot (maybe a fantasy league bargain ... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 yeah but Mikel is actually a playmaker and not a defensive midfielder which José and every non Nigerian manager thought he was. he was brilliant in African Nations Cup think was either back in 08 or 10 playing there and had a good game for Nigeria vs Spain in that role in confed cup. this is a guy who was 2nd best player after Messi in 05 under 20 tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 17, 2013 Moderator Share Posted July 17, 2013 If that is the case then he is probably in one of the worst 3 squads in Europe for getting a chance as playmaker behind that lot. He hasn't a hope in hell of playing that role there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Strootman to Roma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) Basically Obi Mikel was an incredible talent at a young age, but for whatever reason, he has not quite lived up to the early promise. He's not the first and won't be the last. There is still time though, he is only 26, and he would argue hey look at my medals, I have done OK Edited July 17, 2013 by Voinjama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 btw lad I used to work with from Nigeria has said he in nowhere near 26 but that could be for a different topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Kanu, Obafemi, Yakubu, Yekini and now Obi Mikel. What is it with Nigerians lying about their age. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Taribo West... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Oh yeah him too, forgot about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Maybe this Is moyes way of trying to do a fergie? Making a early point that no player is bigger than the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I think Rooney wants to leave for many reasons. He knows he is not first choice forward and secondly him and Moyes have history, court case etc. If Ferguson was still manager, he might of wanted to stay, but with Moyes there he wants out. I think this soap opera will last all summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Kanu, Obafemi, Yakubu, Yekini and now Obi Mikel. What is it with Nigerians lying about their age. Forever young: Nigerian football's age-old problem Nwankwo Kanu is 42 and Taribo West, whose career ended two years ago, is in his late fifties, say bloggers in Nigeria Nwankwo Kanu's official age is 33 but his real age is 42. Obafemi Martins is not 25 but 32. Jay-Jay Okocha was 10 years older than his "official" age throughout his career. And Taribo West, whose playing career ended only two years ago, is in his late fifties. Who says so? A stream of bloggers on some of Nigeria's most popular websites, in response to comments made after the country's timid effort in last month's Africa Cup of Nations. Failure to win that trophy is nearly always considered a scandal in the continent's most populous nation but Nigeria's latest misadventure in the tournament triggered a particularly explosive condemnation back home. It started when a former manager of a leading Nigerian club told the Lagos Guardian: "What happened in Angola is a confirmation of what has been happening in the past where most of our players falsified their age during competition. Most of the players are beyond the age they professed and this made it impossible for them to withstand the pace of teams like Zambia and Benin." It also led to an entertaining discussion that shows no sign of abating as the Nigerians, who have three months to prepare for the World Cup, reacted to the criticism by sacking the coach. "Our boys are old, we are paying the price for age cheating," said Ken Anugweje, a former national team doctor and board member of the Nigerian Football Federation. Suspicions about true ages of some Nigerian footballers date back 20 years. Fifa banned Nigeria from all international fixtures for two years after finding that the birth dates of three of their players in the 1988 Olympics were different from ones used by the same players in previous tournaments. A year later Pelé famously declared "an African team will definitely win the World Cup by the turn of the century" after watching seemingly promising Nigerian youngsters lift the Under-17 World Cup and reach the final of the Under-20 competition. How was Pelé to know that the so-called Under-20s of 1989 were so old that, in the words of George Onmonya on nigeriavillagesquare.com, "most of our players have now retired and become grandpas"? Nigeria have a rich tradition of seemingly promising youngsters who mysteriously fail to fulfil their potential. Phillip Osondu was the best player at the 1987 Under-17 World Cup, after which he was snapped up by Anderlecht, only to drift out of the game and into janitorial work after questions were raised about his real age. The star of Nigeria's finalists at the 2001 Under-17 competition went on to become officially the third-youngest player to appear in the senior World Cup when he started the 0-0 draw with England in 2002. But that was as good as it got for Femi Opabunmi, who by 2005 was playing part-time football in the French lower leagues. A trawl through the blogosphere makes for intriguing reading. "A friend of mine who once played in the Nigerian league told me his real age was 34 but his football age was 21," wrote Onmonya. "You can walk into any immigration office in Nigeria today, forge documents at the nearby business centre, change your name, place of birth, date of birth, pay 7,000-10,000 naira instead of the official price of about 5,500 for an international passport and within hours you have completed the whole process." A new passport, a new person – and if you are a footballer, a younger one. A former employee of the British embassy in Nigeria told Observer Sport that when visa applicants complained to him about having their applications rejected, he would reply: "Well don't talk to me about it, I'm dead." He would respond to their looks of puzzlement by pointing to the wall behind him, on which hung his death certificate, purchased for a small fee from a Lagos supplier. Fifa reckon they have finally come up with a foolproof way of determining real age. Ahead of last year's Under-17 World Cup in, as it happened, Nigeria, the governing body announced that players would be subjected to wrist scans using magnetic resonance imaging, and this would determine their true age. That led some countries to undertake precautionary scans beforehand. The results were never announced, but Nigeria suddenly discarded 15 squad members, while Gambia omitted 11 of the 18 who had helped them to victory in the African Under-17 championship a few months earlier. Reports claim that retrospective analyses of the previous three Under-17 World Cups showed more than a third of all players were too old. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/feb/21/nigerian-football-age-old-problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 :crylaugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It's like a scam or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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