dAVe80 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Onions has only just come back from injury and Warwickshire crushed Durham last week.. Jordan out for 4 against Warwickshire... interesting contest between Jordan and Woakes in this Warwicks v Sussex match...The ecb will be looking closely Oh believe me, I know! With regards to Onions (as with Finn) I was more making the point that perfectly respectable (if not very good) bowlers seem to have been discarded, and slightly unfairly so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 i think it was rediculous Onions didn't go to Australia when he was by far the best bowler in the country last season...Tremlett going was a joke. Finn was unselectable and Rankin was undercooked by the time he played.... What annoys me is that we will only pick bowlers if they can bowl high 80s mph. Mcgrath took stacks of test wickets and he coildn't bowl that fast. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Onions not going to Australia was a really stupid decision, especially considering he was the leading wicket taker for the county champions at the time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Mcgrath took stacks of test wickets and he coildn't bowl that fast. If there's an English-qualified Glenn McGrath bowling in county cricket then even our selectors would pick him. I think the problem is that the real difference that pace brings at test level is when it's 90mph plus a bit. Very good balls are likely to get people out whatever pace they're delivered at but at over 90mph there's rarely such a thing as a long hop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) My point is really about Chris Woakes. When he first came into the Warwickshire side at 18/19 i saw him bowl a spell at Cardiff of sustained swing bowling, moving the ball both ways. it was fantastic to watch. He gets into the England set up and he's told to bowl faster and so looses a little bit of what he used to have. If he had of bowled on that green pitch even bowling low 80s, getting the ball in the right place swinging it and seaming it both ways he would have skittled India out..A. If you have someone like Dale Steyn who can bowl 150 kmph plus and swing it like he does then thats a lethal combination but we don't... Alan Donald was then the bowling coach and at a club forum he said its when waokes plays for England not if..He was that good! Edited July 21, 2014 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 He gets into the England set up and he's told to bowl faster and so looses a little bit of what he used to have. Chalk another one up to the England coaches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Boyd Rankin played well In the 20/20 games I saw. He stops people getting runs. Although once or twice on overs he was susceptible to the reverse sweep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Fantastic win for India. Right now England are the worst international team against the short ball. The damage that Johnson and co have done is remarkable. Serious headaches for the next test. Who don't they drop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 He gets into the England set up and he's told to bowl faster and so looses a little bit of what he used to have. Chalk another one up to the England coaches. Michael Vaughan reckons he will play Sunday and came very close to being picked at lords.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Matt Prior has stood down from International cricket for the rest of the summer because if fitness reasons.... Choices to replace him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Matt Prior has stood down from International cricket for the rest of the summer because if fitness reasons.... Choices to replace him? Buttler, England should resist the urge for a short term fix in Foster and Read and go for someone is going to be the England wicket keeper for many years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 It's going to be Buttler isn't it? If not him, the ECB may turn back to Bairstow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisagg75 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 i'd go with butler as well.get him in he's the future.wish prior would've done this before this last test mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 It's going to be Buttler isn't it? If not him, the ECB may turn back to Bairstow. Yes Butler before Bairstow I think. Read and Foster are better keepers though but will they pick an interim, i don't think so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 It's going to be Buttler isn't it? If not him, the ECB may turn back to Bairstow. Yes Butler before Bairstow I think. Read and Foster are better keepers though but will they pick an interim, i don't think so... I don't think they should pick an interim either as it only delays the problem of finding a wicket keeper for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decavfc Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 For me we have to look to the future and go for butler. Looks a bit rough round the edges but should become a good player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Oh aye, just to say as out of form / unfit Prior may be, it's worth remembering that on his day he was up there with the best wicket keeper batsmen in the world. It's also worth remembering the part he played in many great victories for England and played a big part in getting us to number 1. I really hope he can become the cricketer he was again, as much as it seems unlikely he will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 They should pick the best long term wicketkeeping prospect (the batting should be very much a secondary consideration). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Its amazing how quick the core of the side that went unbeaten for 2 years, won the Ashes home and away and became world number one has been dismantled. Strauss Trott KP Prior Swann And then the likes of Bell, Cook and Broad who are no where near their best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I have my doubts on Buttler against a moving ball (be it seam or spin) however I'm not really sure what other young keepers are making headlines in the county scene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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