The_Rev Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 You can unroot a phone though, so your warranty is usually safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Thanks Dirk, that sounds simple. How would I use Kies then to get the Froyo update when it comes out later this month? I may just be best waiting for Froyo then rooting. You want to see the trouble it was to root an X10. I think they might have a better method for it now. Incidently, how can you unlock an X10? I want to unlock it and sell it to my mate who's on a different network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Thanks Dirk, that sounds simple. How would I use Kies then to get the Froyo update when it comes out later this month? I may just be best waiting for Froyo then rooting. Probably the same you would unrooted. Worst case you wait an hour until someone on xda puts up a rooted update.zip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Thanks Dirk, that sounds simple. How would I use Kies then to get the Froyo update when it comes out later this month? I may just be best waiting for Froyo then rooting. Probably the same you would unrooted. Worst case you wait an hour until someone on xda puts up a rooted update.zip. Yep. Plug your phone into Kies and let it do a firmware update Rooting doesn't touch the firmware version or anything. It simply gives you busybox and the su program. Look at what the update.zip actually contains: darrenm@darrenm-desktop:~/Downloads$ unzip update\ \(2\).zip Archive: update (2).zip inflating: META-INF/MANIFEST.MF inflating: META-INF/CERT.SF inflating: META-INF/CERT.RSA inflating: META-INF/com/google/android/update-script inflating: META-INF/com/google/android/updater-script inflating: META-INF/com/google/android/update-binary inflating: system/xbin/busybox inflating: system/app/Superuser.apk inflating: system/xbin/su OK so far all the zip contains is the signing stuff (manifest and certs), the actual update scripts and 3 programs: busybox (a more powerful shell), Superuser.apk (a program for Android programs to call to gain root access), and su (the shell switch user program). The update scripts contain: show_progress 0.100000 0 show_progress 0.500000 0 delete SYSTEM:bin/su delete SYSTEM:xbin/su copy_dir PACKAGE:system SYSTEM: symlink ../xbin/su SYSTEM:bin/su set_perm 0 0 06755 SYSTEM:xbin/su set_perm 0 2000 0755 SYSTEM:xbin/busybox show_progress 0.100000 10 and assert(getprop("ro.product.device") == "GT-I5800" || getprop("ro.build.product") == "GT-I5800" || getprop("ro.product.device") == "GT-I9000" || getprop("ro.build.product") == "GT-I9000" ); show_progress(0.100000, 0); show_progress(0.500000, 0); mount("MTD", "system", "/system"); package_extract_dir("system", "/system"); symlink("../xbin/su", "/system/bin/su"); set_perm(0, 0, 06755, "/system/xbin/su"); set_perm(0, 0, 0777, "/system/xbin/busybox"); unmount("/system"); I don't know the exact format of Android update scripts but that seems to me all it's doing is installing those 3 things and setting permissions. Nothing else on the system is being changed so there's no reason for anything to stop you getting a standard firmware update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 That's it that's all the files contain? A wee bit of code? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted September 10, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2010 I think I have found my next phone, the Motorola Milestone 2. Yes, I crave qwerty hard keys. Any of you ITK folks see any downside to it spec wise? Clicky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 I think I have found my next phone, the Motorola Milestone 2. Yes, I crave qwerty hard keys. Any of you ITK folks see any downside to it spec wise? Clicky Yes. I positively refuse to buy anything Motorola now because they think they're Apple: Motorola on Engadget"]If a device attempts to boot with unapproved software, it will go into recovery mode, and can re-boot once approved software is re-installed. They think they know better than you what you want to do with the phone. Motorola Statement"]“We understand there is a community of developers interested in going beyond Android application development and experimenting with Android system development and re-flashing phones. For these developers, we highly recommend obtaining either a Google ADP1 developer phone or a Nexus One, both of which are intended for these purposes. At this time, Motorola Android-based handsets are intended for use by consumers and Android application developers, and we have currently chosen not to go into the business of providing fully unlocked developer phones. Securing the software on our handsets, thereby preventing a non-Motorola ROM image from being loaded, has been our common practice for many years. This practice is driven by a number of different business factors. When we do deviate from our normal practice, such as we did with the DROID, there is a specific business reason for doing so. We understand this can result in some confusion, and apologize for any frustration.” Great. I'm not an Android system developer, but I do want control over MY phone and I want to be able to use all the available software on there. When are these companies going to realise we own the devices, we don't rent them. If you want a QWERTY, get a G2 HTC phones are the best out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted September 10, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2010 Oh G2, I like. Thanks for the heads up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Apparently it's the HTC Vanguard., not sure if it will see the light of day over here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted September 11, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2010 It was looking like the Milestone 2 would lack a QWERTY keyboard for a while there... I'm glad to see that it has one. My biggest issue is that as AT&T has a more extensive GSM 3G network than T-Mobile in the States, I'm not switching to T-Mobile anytime soon (T-Mobile and AT&T run their 3G on completely different bands). Verizon does have better 3G coverage than AT&T (though with some pretty major caveats, e.g. their network doesn't allow simultaneous voice and data service) and they're generally Nazis about what you can do with the phone. Which, given that AT&T for some reason refuses to make decent Android phones available, pretty much limits me to what Android phones are available for Telus use (unless I want to only use EDGE). The original Milestone was available for Telus, so that may still be the best available Android phone for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 yep even the original milestone is still a great phone and unlocked too so you can run CM on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted September 11, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2010 Good, then the Milestone 2 should drive down the price of unlocked Milestones :D EDIT: the Telus Milestone (which is the only GSM Milestone usable on any of the US 3G frequencies) also has a locked bootloader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 That samsung sprint phone has a qwerty keyboard. Though will not see the light of day over hee either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted September 12, 2010 Administrator Share Posted September 12, 2010 $35 7" tablet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted September 12, 2010 Administrator Share Posted September 12, 2010 There's a new Swype beta, get upgrading... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMFy Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 There's a new Swype beta, get upgrading... Got a barcode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted September 12, 2010 Administrator Share Posted September 12, 2010 You have to sign up for the beta I think, it's tied to the device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 Yeah I got the email too. But Swype came preinstalled on my galaxy s, it's not as good as the one from earlier this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 How come when I try to swype the word really bad person it keeps coming back with 'northerner'? Bleeding southerners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMFy Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 My phone (HTC Hero) was free of charge and came with a 12 month contract and a monthly bill of £27.50 (ish) which includes 1100 texts a month, Unlimited* internet, 2000 minutes to landlines and 600 minutes to mobiles. You dont need to pay through the nose for a smartphone, I think Google have realised that with Android, they have to undercut the iPhone to be able to compete and while there are "boutique" phones out there which are better than an iPhone for a lower price, the entry level stuff is also very good and everybody who has an Android phone gets the same basic experience. Similarly I have the Sony Xperia X10 on Orange for £27.50/month with unlimited internet, 1200 mins calls, unlimited landline calls, unlimited texts and 50mms/month. The insurance through Orange is only £6/month to get a new phone within 24 hours if there is a problem. iPhones require iPhone insurance, at £12/month. Had it nearly three months now and I'm massively impressed with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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