Nor-Cal Villan Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, T-Dog said: I hope you were judged a deviant as appropriate Fairly certain no one else in my () mini league even knew what it meant. I certainly don’t recall anyone asking about the meaning Regardless, they know well of my deviancy Edited May 20 by Nor-Cal Villan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jonesy7211 Posted May 23 Popular Post Share Posted May 23 I've been watching the questioning of Paula Vennells at the Post Office inquiry for the last two days and I'm really quite angry with her. Despite evidence clearly showing that she's actively colluded to cover up the real cause of the horrendous prosecutions to protect the Post Office, she's always not meant what she wrote, or conveniently forgotten what occurred and when, or not able to recall what made her have a certain view, She's terrific TV though, crocodile tears, going red and getting flustered, unable to answer a straight question and then a second later is back to normal. I think some of her reaction is that she is offended she's there at all. Jason Beer KC has skewered her time and again though. The highlight today was when she appeared to blame her keyboard for what she wrote in one statement and Beers quipped "A misunderstanding between you and the keyboard". Horrible woman, I sincerely hope a criminal investigation is launched into her once the inquiry is over. I'm looking forward to tomorrow, the core participants get to question her. I'm sure they'll be thoroughly brutal. I genuinely feel that she's in no way sorry for what she's done, and is only sorry the truth is coming out now. She's lower than a snake's belly. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Genie Posted May 23 Popular Post Share Posted May 23 21 minutes ago, Jonesy7211 said: I've been watching the questioning of Paula Vennells at the Post Office inquiry for the last two days and I'm really quite angry with her. Despite evidence clearly showing that she's actively colluded to cover up the real cause of the horrendous prosecutions to protect the Post Office, she's always not meant what she wrote, or conveniently forgotten what occurred and when, or not able to recall what made her have a certain view, She's terrific TV though, crocodile tears, going red and getting flustered, unable to answer a straight question and then a second later is back to normal. I think some of her reaction is that she is offended she's there at all. Jason Beer KC has skewered her time and again though. The highlight today was when she appeared to blame her keyboard for what she wrote in one statement and Beers quipped "A misunderstanding between you and the keyboard". Horrible woman, I sincerely hope a criminal investigation is launched into her once the inquiry is over. I'm looking forward to tomorrow, the core participants get to question her. I'm sure they'll be thoroughly brutal. I genuinely feel that she's in no way sorry for what she's done, and is only sorry the truth is coming out now. She's lower than a snake's belly. She could have single handedly stopped the crisis. People lost their jobs. People lost their homes. People lost the respect and love of friends and family.. People killed themselves. People went to jail. People died before their names were cleared. She could have stopped it all but didn’t when she knew something was not right. She accepted a peerage. Absolutely disgusting individual. I sincerely hope she gets locked up. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 minute ago, Genie said: She could have single handedly stopped the crisis. People lost their jobs. People lost their homes. People lost the respect and love of friends and family.. People killed themselves. People went to jail. People died before their names were cleared. She could have stopped it all but didn’t when she knew something was not right. She accepted a peerage. Absolutely disgusting individual. I sincerely hope she gets locked up. The evidence shows that she was told about the technical issue in 2011, but she said that she didn't understand it. I don't know about you, but if I don't understand something I will ask. Not conspire and collude for years and years forcing people to suffer needlessly. I can only fathom that she was protecting her bonus. Having to admit fault and make huge payouts would have eaten in to the PO's profits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 23 VT Supporter Share Posted May 23 5 hours ago, Jonesy7211 said: Jason Beer KC has skewered her time and again though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted May 24 VT Supporter Share Posted May 24 14 hours ago, Genie said: She accepted a peerage. Absolutely disgusting individual. I sincerely hope she gets locked up. Why was she even offered a peerage? I can't believe she so arrogant to think that performance convinced anyone shes telling the truth, if it was a working class 20 year old in court putting that performance in they would be down the stairs before their feet touched the ground,.like watching a 10 years old in the headmasters office. These types of people (hopeless yes people with no brains or backbone) are in top jobs all over the UK and there a major reason why our country is failing. We're mugs, led by idiots. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 3 minutes ago, tinker said: Why was she even offered a peerage? This is one of those threads that really needs pulling. Ian Hislop did a great piece on the horizon issues being common knowledge in the media and in government by 2019, when she received her peerage. It also shows that at some point between 2015 and then that the government unofficially knew she'd lied at the 2015 enquiry. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The_Rev Posted May 24 Popular Post Share Posted May 24 (edited) It was common knowledge on the ground before that. One of the blokes I work with came from the Post Office and one of his complaints was about the computer system. This was twenty years ago. The problem the people who got really screwed over by this is that they were isolated by a powerful institution which had a bunch of people running it who were too corrupt to be in positions of authority because they couldn’t see past their bonuses or too thick to be in positions of authority because they couldn’t see past “computer says no”. The fact that it took a bloody TV show to make the powers that be finally do something about it is utterly depressing because it shows they’ll cover stuff up again and again and again if they can. This is one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in our country’s history and it needs to be made right we are to at least try and claw back any kind of faith in the system. As @Jonesy7211 said, Private Eye and Ian Hislop have done a lot of coverage of it going back years. A lot of it is in old magazines, they don’t put all of it up online because their current business model works for them. The most easily accessible stuff is probably the podcast they put out semi regularly: Someone has uploaded one of the Post Office episodes to YouTube. Edited May 24 by The_Rev 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 24 VT Supporter Share Posted May 24 There are a lot of people at the top of the Post Office that should spend rather a long time in a concrete square with no windows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Croydon? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 6 minutes ago, Chindie said: There are a lot of people at the top of the Post Office that should spend rather a long time in a concrete square with no windows. Make them wait in Post Office lines every day if you really want to punish them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 And now for something completely different: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 24 VT Supporter Share Posted May 24 Just now, The_Rev said: And now for something completely different: What's wrong with that? My ex girlfriend used to shave her pussy all the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Well, Vennells' true colours were on show today. An email transcript was shown which contained her reaction to a documentary on the BBC back in 2014 about the Horizon issues, and it said that she was "more bored than outraged" over it, and continued to state a victim who'd been prosecuted for stealing £36,000 "lacked passion". To avoid jail, the victim had to plead guilty to a lesser crime of false accounting. The victim nearly lost everything. The email from Paula was after she knew there were bugs in the system. The victim was also in the court today, and if I was her I would have had to be held back before I did something I wouldn't regret when the email was read out. She also did her best to continue to not to have any memory of doing anything wrong when there was clear evidence showing what she'd done, but also many times clearly remembered what she was thinking (i.e. no evidence of) at the time some of the events occurred, and all of it was with the best of intentions. There are plenty of news articles summarizing today's session very nicely, and clearly, she's lying. The documentation and evidence showed everyone that she wasn't the nice person she was trying to present herself as. The evidence in the inquiry shows time and again that she would do her best to shut down any investigation into the truth. That her motivation was to make money for herself and the PO no matter the damage to employees. A thing to remember is that she knew all about this for at least 6 years before accepting her CBE. Tells you a lot I think. That's it now for the inquiry until 3rd June. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 What are the potential repercussions for her? I mean is being a figure of fun for a few days while she squirms in the dock as bad as it’s going to get or does the inquiry have any actual teeth? I’m sure there’s an element of catharsis for the victims here but if the people who ruined their lives all just go back to comfortable lives in big houses next month then has anything actually been achieved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 2 minutes ago, The_Rev said: What are the potential repercussions for her? I mean is being a figure of fun for a few days while she squirms in the dock as bad as it’s going to get or does the inquiry have any actual teeth? I’m sure there’s an element of catharsis for the victims here but if the people who ruined their lives all just go back to comfortable lives in big houses next month then has anything actually been achieved? I don't know how likely it is, but once this inquiry has finished the post office may refer individuals to the police for investigation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 20 minutes ago, The_Rev said: What are the potential repercussions for her? I mean is being a figure of fun for a few days while she squirms in the dock as bad as it’s going to get or does the inquiry have any actual teeth? I’m sure there’s an element of catharsis for the victims here but if the people who ruined their lives all just go back to comfortable lives in big houses next month then has anything actually been achieved? I guess potentially, once the police get their go, it could potentially be something like perverting the course of justice? Or perjury? Or concealing evidence? If she’s as pathetic as she’s acting, just the fear of it coming down the road should give her a few years of poor health. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 If any individual did this, we would be looking at jail time. I guess she will get away with it. But what a complete and utter bullshitter she really is. I just cannot understand why she and the post office executives would believe in the system and not the postal staff, unless it was to protect there bonuses. It's a absolute crime! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) 7 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: I just cannot understand why she and the post office executives would believe in the system and not the postal staff, unless it was to protect there bonuses. I'm not justifying it, just trying to help you understand how we got here. One of the big drivers for the Horizon system, at great expense, was that the Post Office was suspicious that many of their sub-postmasters had their hands in the till. They just couldn't prove it. So they spent a fortune on a new-fangled IT system with networked PCs, daily reports and "improved" auditing capabilities, and suddenly the numbers made it clear that there were loads of robbing bastards. They entered the project with the goal of finding thieves, and didn't question it when they found them. Edited May 24 by Davkaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 If you only have a hammer everything looks like a nail. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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