MrWeedMcGrass Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I can't see how ignoring the situation absolves you of any guilt for the deaths of the 5. Once you've been exposed to the situation such as this your involved in it. If you walked past a woman being battered in an alley would you not intervene? If not, how could you live with yourself afterwards? Guilt is an emotion experienced differently by different people , its a matter of personal philosophy. For me , what I haven't started , I should not interrupt or change, especially if the choices present cannot be properly evaluated to come to a correct decision. In this case , I am not aware of the identity of the 6 people involved so i am not morally entitled to make a decision in that regard. My decision to send the lone person to his/her death to save five might seem superfluously logical and correct , but on further analysis , it cannot be definitely determined if the choice is as simple as it seems. So I believe in not intervening in this case and make myself a passive observer , a man watching television. The idea is to let things take their course in a manner if I was not present there with the ability to alter the course. So , In this case , not doing any thing is a valid option and not an immoral one , in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 11, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2010 I can't see how ignoring the situation absolves you of any guilt for the deaths of the 5. Once you've been exposed to the situation such as this your involved in it. If you walked past a woman being battered in an alley would you not intervene? If not, how could you live with yourself afterwards? Think of it this way, instead of a train, the mad philosopher has a gun and is about to shoot 5 people, unless you take the gun and kill 1 person yourself. Surely you standing there and watching him kill 5 people means you are less guilty (and I'm again talking from a legal perspective, not emotional) than if you'd physically shot 1 person and killed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 and then what if it turns out that the 5 you saved were suicide bombers on their way to kill 10,000 people and the one you let die had just moments before discovered a cure for cancer and was rushing home to find a pen and paper to write it down to some extent i'm a believer of when your time is up your time is up ..maybe i'd just let fate decide who lives and who dies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I'd either be too busy on Villa Talk or too busy playing Battlefield 2 to be able to notice this trolley heading towards the 5 people. so they would end up getting owned. 5 kill streak FTW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 11, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2010 Surely Superman would swoop down and lift the trolley off the rails? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milfner Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I'd either be too busy on Villa Talk or too busy playing Battlefield 2 to be able to notice this trolley heading towards the 5 people. so they would end up getting owned. 5 kill streak FTW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 and then what if it turns out that the 5 you saved were suicide bombers on their way to kill 10,000 people and the one you let die had just moments before discovered a cure for cancer and was rushing home to find a pen and paper to write it down to some extent i'm a believer of when your time is up your time is up ..maybe i'd just let fate decide who lives and who dies Fate or the mad philosopher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 11, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2010 and then what if it turns out that the 5 you saved were suicide bombers on their way to kill 10,000 people and the one you let die had just moments before discovered a cure for cancer and was rushing home to find a pen and paper to write it down to some extent i'm a believer of when your time is up your time is up ..maybe i'd just let fate decide who lives and who dies Fate or the mad philosopher?Darren Paul Griffith has a lot to answer for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zak Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Would you have as much responsibility for the 5 dying as you would for the one? I don't think you would. If i knew i could have saved them but by doing nothing they died, then yes, I would feel responsible etc. Fair enough, I may very well feel that way too. But I was also talking about legal responsibility. What's worse? Neglect that killed 5 people, or a direct action which killed 1? Personally, i wouldnt even think about legal responsibility, i think i would take the chance of any legel actions to save net of 4 people i understand life would always be different after killing this one person but the fact you saved 5 would help you through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Surely Superman would swoop down and lift the trolley off the rails? Well, the one in Tony's avatar would probably just claim that he had done it. :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Surely Superman would swoop down and lift the trolley off the rails? Well, the one in Tony's avatar would probably just claim that he had done it. :winkold: whereas in fact the trolley simply broke down of it's own accord due to chronic underfunding during construction..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 It's a trolley! I'd just wait for the thing to bump into the first person it hits and stop, them to go "ouch" and stand up with (most likely) no more than a bruise. I'd then return said trolley to whatever supermarket it came from, link it's chain to the next trolley and retrieve the £1 coin. There's your ideal scenario: no one's dead and I'm up a quid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted March 11, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2010 Life is sacred. You leave the switch the hell alone and do whatever you can to save the other 5 - as useless as that may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 The real answer here is to assess the situation, decide your **** eitherway then go home and have a wank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingerlad Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Depends, am I allowed to video it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 11, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2010 Gingerlad wants to video CED having a wank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingerlad Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Gingerlad wants to video CED having a wank. Not again. Once is enough for anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 This thread just took a serious turn down '....' alley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 But we'd all press the switch that makes us completely forget that anyone might die at all yes? The backwards in time switch that makes the mad philosopher pick someone else for his dilemma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevMur Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I would pop down to the person who was tied to the track on their own. Get his / her thoughts on the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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