Jon Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I voted for longer sentence. I also enjoyed Jon's little inspector Smiley, that isn't relevant, I just felt it needed to be said. I reckon even Inspector Clouseau could work that one out though. Probably wouldn't need Holmes or Watson :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 10, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted March 10, 2010 Correct sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I voted for the longer sentence option. They knew exactly what they were doing, even at 10 years old. 20 years would have been more like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 It is interesting having the poll 30 pages into the debate. I wonder how different it would have been if it were put up on the first page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 10, 2010 Moderator Share Posted March 10, 2010 It is interesting having the poll 30 pages into the debate. I wonder how different it would have been if it were put up on the first page. Almost identical I would imagine, not seen much in the way of people changing their minds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 10, 2010 Moderator Share Posted March 10, 2010 Thing that hasn't been mentioned is that they were actually sentenced to longer than 8 years, they were initially sentenced to a min tarrif of ten years, which the Home Secretary wanted to increase but was overuled by the law lords (or some other body) saying that the Home Secretary didn't have the authority to change a sentence for a juvenile, then the boys appealed to the European courts when they were 18 and got the sentence reduced, it was the European courts that finally brought the sentence down to an 8 year tarrif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelle Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I voted for the longer sentence option. They knew exactly what they were doing, even at 10 years old. 20 years would have been more like it. While I agree that they knew what they did and that it was wrong and that they should've been in for longer I still don't think that they understood the magnitude of what they were doing. How wrong it was, the consequences and why it was wrong. Not meaning they were fully unaware of all those things, but still not aware enough. Maybe. That's why I feel they should've got a longer penalty and with education and someone to learn them how wrong it was and why. Teach how to behave in a working society. They were so young that they could still unlearn what they'd learned so far and become better people and start a better life. They weren't exactly fully grown experienced murderers so there's still a chance for them to get all that. Well, apparently maybe not as one of them is back again for whatever reason we still don't know. And if it's something really bad then he clearly hasn't learned anything and can stay in jail for a lot, lot longer. Get what I mean? After all, there are big differences in understanding between a kid and a grown up person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 flitting between longer sentence and correct sentence, plumped for the latter in the end, based on the judges verdict not being an awful one and he's better placed than me. If he'd have given them a spell in adult jail for a few years once they were old enough I probably wouldn't have opposed that either tbf. With this one, as the judge didn't release them instantly nor sentence them to death, I'll go with his judgement, which is probably avoiding the question in some folks eyes, but there we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 10, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted March 10, 2010 Yup, I certainly haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 flitting between longer sentence and correct sentence, plumped for the latter in the end, based on the judges verdict not being an awful one and he's better placed than me. If he'd have given them a spell in adult jail for a few years once they were old enough I probably wouldn't have opposed that either tbf. With this one, as the judge didn't release them instantly nor sentence them to death, I'll go with his judgement, which is probably avoiding the question in some folks eyes, but there we go. I think the thinking was that if they were sent into a normal prison when they were adults it would have increased their likelyhood of becoming adult criminals by mixing with other criminals and drugs etc that go with prison life. Their rehabilitation into normal adults would have been set back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa_Rosa Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I reckon they got it about right, maybe could have been a little longer, but as Lax says, there's an argument for why they didn't. Nice to see there are only two 'nearest tree' merchants on here. Once again the VT proves itself to be mostly populated by well-rounded human beings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Nice to see there are only two 'nearest tree' merchants on here. Once again the VT proves itself to be mostly populated by well-rounded human beings and the welsh.f.i.x.e.d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa_Rosa Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Nice to see there are only two 'nearest tree' merchants on here. Once again the VT proves itself to be mostly populated by well-rounded human beings and the welsh.f.i.x.e.d. Tidy :winkold: And that's a capital double-ewe by the way bach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I reckon they got it about right, maybe could have been a little longer, but as Lax says, there's an argument for why they didn't. Nice to see there are only two 'nearest tree' merchants on here. Once again the VT proves itself to be mostly populated by well-rounded human beings. 37 people out of a possible 34169 have voted so far...lets not count our chickens just yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa_Rosa Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I reckon they got it about right, maybe could have been a little longer, but as Lax says, there's an argument for why they didn't. Nice to see there are only two 'nearest tree' merchants on here. Once again the VT proves itself to be mostly populated by well-rounded human beings. 37 people out of a possible 34169 have voted so far...lets not count our chickens just yet If you're waiting for all 34169, that's a lot of roosters to reckon up Fair point though, it is early days still I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 oh look...3 'nearest tree' merchants now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I smell an alias account :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 The thing is punishment works in different ways for different people. Look at Thompson, the years he did have rehabilitated him and he has taken to this anonymity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa_Rosa Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I smell an alias account :winkold: I smell burning torches Still a very insignificant percentage so I'll relax and return to my cup of herbal tea and copy of the Guardian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 10, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted March 10, 2010 The thing is punishment works in different ways for different people. Look at Thompson, the years he did have rehabilitated him and he has taken to this anonymity. Which is a turn up for the books as, according to several accounts, Venables was the one who seemed more guilty (emotionally) about hwat they'd done and seemed to be the one more willing to be rehabilitated. Thompson apparently showed very little remorse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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