Dr_Pangloss Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) I personally had Herrera winning by two round, I thought it was a pretty clear win for him. Brook is pretty annoying, over 30 pro fights and not one single world class opponent. He has obvious talent, but is completely untested at world level, on top of that he is extremely arrogant, pretty unlikeable, and barely able to string a coherent sentence together. He basically couldn't draw flies to shit so although Khan is on the downslide having lost two of his last four fights, looking like utter shit in his last fight, it's not clear that Brook could even command a fight with him. He's supposed to be fighting Porter or Paulie next, Paulie obviously has no title so I don't really see the point, Porter if not tied up is the obvious choice but I can see Porter giving Brook absolute hell. Given Brook struggled massively with Carsen Jones, I think Porter would be all over him. Edited March 16, 2014 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnie Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I personally had Herrera winning by two round, I thought it was a pretty clear win for him. Brook is pretty annoying, over 30 pro fights and not one single world class opponent. He has obvious talent, but is completely untested at world level, on top of that he is extremely arrogant, pretty unlikeable, and barely able to string a coherent sentence together. He basically couldn't draw flies to shit so although Khan is on the downslide having lost two of his last four fights, looking like utter shit in his last fight, it's not clear that Brook could even command a fight with him. He's supposed to be fighting Porter or Paulie next, Paulie obviously has no title so I don't really see the point, Porter if not tied up is the obvious choice but I can see Porter giving Brook absolute hell. Given Brook struggled massively with Carsen Jones, I think Porter would be all over him. Porter is defending his belt against Paulie and the winner must face brook in July thats why paulie's name is being thrown around. Cant see brook getting near paulie, even if paulie hits as hard as my nan. Porter looked good against Alexander as well and on that performance woukd take brook apart as well. Brook's best win was against matthew hatton. Sums up his joke career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnie Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) Dont want to shit on the UFC thread but nice to know boxing is still alot more popular then UFC in the uk. The UFC card on ch5 flopped despite being shown at prime time and a big UK event at that. It got nearly 200k less viewers then the james degale fight the week before. Shove your shitty tap out shirts up your arses UFC fans Edited March 16, 2014 by donnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted March 16, 2014 Author Share Posted March 16, 2014 I personally had Herrera winning by two round, I thought it was a pretty clear win for him. Brook is pretty annoying, over 30 pro fights and not one single world class opponent. He has obvious talent, but is completely untested at world level, on top of that he is extremely arrogant, pretty unlikeable, and barely able to string a coherent sentence together. He basically couldn't draw flies to shit so although Khan is on the downslide having lost two of his last four fights, looking like utter shit in his last fight, it's not clear that Brook could even command a fight with him. He's supposed to be fighting Porter or Paulie next, Paulie obviously has no title so I don't really see the point, Porter if not tied up is the obvious choice but I can see Porter giving Brook absolute hell. Given Brook struggled massively with Carsen Jones, I think Porter would be all over him. Porter is defending his belt against Paulie and the winner must face brook in July thats why paulie's name is being thrown around. Cant see brook getting near paulie, even if paulie hits as hard as my nan. Porter looked good against Alexander as well and on that performance woukd take brook apart as well. Brook's best win was against matthew hatton. Sums up his joke career. Ah completely forgot about that one. Paulie would show Brook a jab, movement and angles he'd have never seen before, would be a tough fight for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Dont want to shit on the UFC thread but nice to know boxing is still alot more popular then UFC in the uk. The UFC card on ch5 flopped despite being shown at prime time and a big UK event at that. It got nearly 200k less viewers then the james degale fight the week before. Shove your shitty tap out shirts up your arses UFC fans Boxing is more popular than UFC everywhere to a certain extent. The week to week stuff might be tough to call but the world stops when there is a truly big prize fight and that hasn't happened in mixed martial arts yet. It probably never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I personally had Herrera winning by two round, I thought it was a pretty clear win for him. Brook is pretty annoying, over 30 pro fights and not one single world class opponent. He has obvious talent, but is completely untested at world level, on top of that he is extremely arrogant, pretty unlikeable, and barely able to string a coherent sentence together. He basically couldn't draw flies to shit so although Khan is on the downslide having lost two of his last four fights, looking like utter shit in his last fight, it's not clear that Brook could even command a fight with him. He's supposed to be fighting Porter or Paulie next, Paulie obviously has no title so I don't really see the point, Porter if not tied up is the obvious choice but I can see Porter giving Brook absolute hell. Given Brook struggled massively with Carsen Jones, I think Porter would be all over him. Kell Brook is Lee Hendrie. You know the young kid who looks like he might be really good in a year or two. He keeps looking like he might be really good in a year or two until you realise he is in his late twenties and hasn't really done anything with his career. Brook will be 28 the next time he fights, hopefully that won't be on the undercard of Tony **** Bellew, and while he insists he is now ready to win a world title I can't see him beating Porter or Paulie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArteSuave Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Dont want to shit on the UFC thread but nice to know boxing is still alot more popular then UFC in the uk. The UFC card on ch5 flopped despite being shown at prime time and a big UK event at that. It got nearly 200k less viewers then the james degale fight the week before. Shove your shitty tap out shirts up your arses UFC fans Boxing is more popular than UFC everywhere to a certain extent. The week to week stuff might be tough to call but the world stops when there is a truly big prize fight and that hasn't happened in mixed martial arts yet. It probably never will. It certainly won't in the near future. MMA is still illegal in NY and lots of countries like France and Norway, can't be shown on TV in Germany and has only been under a unified set of rules since 2001 (even then promotions add extra rules). Most people in the UK literally still don't know what MMA is. James DeGale is an Olympic Gold medalist who had a close fight with Mr. Flavour of the month. The fact a UFC card on a time delay without any draws only got 200k less viewers (and considering the same card was also shown live on BT Sport) is miraculous. What were the totals for each Donnie? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leemond2008 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Fury and Chisora part 2 has been announced Should be better than the first fight, it could hardly be any worse Edited March 17, 2014 by leemond2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnie Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Dont want to shit on the UFC thread but nice to know boxing is still alot more popular then UFC in the uk. The UFC card on ch5 flopped despite being shown at prime time and a big UK event at that. It got nearly 200k less viewers then the james degale fight the week before. Shove your shitty tap out shirts up your arses UFC fans Boxing is more popular than UFC everywhere to a certain extent. The week to week stuff might be tough to call but the world stops when there is a truly big prize fight and that hasn't happened in mixed martial arts yet. It probably never will. It certainly won't in the near future. MMA is still illegal in NY and lots of countries like France and Norway, can't be shown on TV in Germany and has only been under a unified set of rules since 2001 (even then promotions add extra rules). Most people in the UK literally still don't know what MMA is. James DeGale is an Olympic Gold medalist who had a close fight with Mr. Flavour of the month. The fact a UFC card on a time delay without any draws only got 200k less viewers (and considering the same card was also shown live on BT Sport) is miraculous. What were the totals for each Donnie? It got 591k viewers on channel 5. The james degale fight was on at the same time as the ricky burns fight and I guarantee most boxing fans with sky would have been watching that rather then james defail. I know the UFC card was also on bt sport but still surprised at its poor ratings on ch5. UFC ppv buy rates in america are falling despite increased coverage on national tv stations. Its defo more then a fad, and there is room for both boxing and mma, but UFC will never ever be bigger then boxing despite what dana white says. Mayweather fights get over a million ppv buys. The biggest UFC cards get between 300,000 -500,000 buys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 That's pretty much where I'm at. There is clearly room for both, most fans of MMA are fans of boxing and vice versa, my point is that the world still doesn't stop for an MMA card. MMA fighters aren't celebrities like, say, Floyd or Manny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnie Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 That's pretty much where I'm at. There is clearly room for both, most fans of MMA are fans of boxing and vice versa, my point is that the world still doesn't stop for an MMA card. MMA fighters aren't celebrities like, say, Floyd or Manny. Exactly this. Fighters like saul Alverez and pacman regularly get over 1 million ppv buys. Also with the ever increasing hispanic community in america the popularity of boxing in the states is only going to increase. Does UFC even have any stars now?? Without GSP and silva who do they have?? They have no liddell, coutoure, ortiz types names now. All a bunch of non entity's. However, im defo seeing a large increase in the amount of mma gyms in the UK. Certainly easier to find then boxing gyms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArteSuave Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 591k for a tape delayed card with no titles or former champions is way more than I'd have expected. Also UFC 168 hit 1mil buys IIRC. Dana White would sell his own mother for mainstream publicity, I don't know why anyone would take his statements on things like that seriously. While I agree there are no household names in MMA, the world doesn't stop for boxing anymore either. I guarantee the average man on the street couldn't name many (any?) of Manny or Floyd's last 5 opponents. Neighbourhoods aren't crowding round a TV to watch these days. It feels like combat sports are dying a death, much to my annoyance. But at least boxing in the UK has mainstream acceptance which is something MMA will do well to have in the next 20 years, let alone now. Chisora Fury is on the front page of BBC sport, AFAIK there has never been a mention of MMA anywhere on the site. Obviously there's enough room for both, they hardly take up any room at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 IMO MMA has a bit of an image problem which I've raised before. Boxing absolutely has its issues with judging but you tend to get a contest between two boxers who should be reasonably well matched. When the ref says stop the fight stops and refs on the whole stop fights at the right time. From what I have seen of UFC blokes are knocked clean out cold (and obviously so) and the winner still gets the opportunity to get a few cheap blows to the head off on the ground before the refs step in. UFC also has the issue of blokes writhing around on the ground looking for technical superiority. Whilst I can see the specialist appeal to someone who knows what is going on it isn't always the most exciting watch as fighters spend minutes on end grappling without the fight really progressing. For me, a totally casual observer of both, if they are both on, I'm watching the boxing. and don't even get me started on the number of rocket polishers in the street you see wearing "TAPOUT" T-shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leemond2008 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I've never watched UFC properly, the bits that I have seen have been as said previously people writhing around on the floor which I found all a bit full. In boxing you can take pleasure in the technical side of it, I mean they don't call it the sweet science for nothing, I suppose it you just want blood and snot then yeah the UFC sounds like it is the sport for you to watch but I don't watch the boxing for that, yeah we all like a stunning knockout but there is more to it that that in boxing. I'll regularly stay up until 6am to watch a mediocre fight with the boxing (Danny Garcia on Sunday morning is a prime example) but I don't think there is any other sport I would do that for. I don't have anything against the UFC I was just bought up on boxing and then got into it in a big way when I was about 18 and actually prefer it to the football these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Again, I'm the same about MMA. I like the sport in theory, I just find the ground game tedious to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArteSuave Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Yeah I completely understand that people don't like grappling. I've spent enough time trying to educate people who don't want to be interested in the intricacies of submission grappling for a thousand lifetimes. I've also had mirror image conversations with people who love grappling but think football is tedious and takes little skill. Some people think boxing is just two people punching each other as well. I try my best to leave them all to it. I'd have to disagree about boxers usually being well matched though. You need a big number in the W column (or a gold medal) to get any recognition in boxing which leads to a line of mechanics and builders being lined up for you to walk over. MMA hasn't been around long enough to have any data on brain injuries but I'm guessing it will be fairly similar to boxing in that regard, although I believe repeated knockdowns with 10 seconds to recover is at least as bad for long term brain health as ground strikes. I don't know if you've ever tried to punch at the floor but its difficult to get much power into it. Either way, sadly boxing is a shell of its former self in terms of public interest and MMA is dwarfed by that shell in almost every country in the world. But boxing has the significant advantage of social acceptability and in several cases even legality. The only advantage MMA has currently is that the best guys in each division are more likely to fight each other. PS - Where are these masses of TapouT shirt wearers? 2008? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 The best thing about MMA is the unified organizing body, yes, there are other ones out there but they are so small time that they don't really matter. I'd love that to be the case in boxing instead of the bullshit we have to deal with where fighters can duck each other and still claim to be world champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Is Shannon broke again or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 The only thing Briggs did worthwhile was get his ass beat by Lewis in this entertaining fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WGrExD92BE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 (edited) Frank Cappucino? Seriously? lol Edited March 21, 2014 by AshVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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