tonyh29 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Just now, bickster said: Or Greta Thunburg I would imagine she would be in favour of such a place , though I’m not sure where she would park her yacht (Yes , I know it wasn’t her yacht ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, Xela said: Sounds like a huge prison. Or one of those big blocks out of Judge Dredd. All your needs catered for. Unless you are gay. Or a Christian. Or are critical of the ruling family. I'd 'Liv' there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 It’s a really really good idea, because the one thing they are desperately short of in Saudi is spare land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: It’s a really really good idea, because the one thing they are desperately short of in Saudi is spare land. And we’ve all spent the last couple of years learning how great it is to all live in really close proximity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Waiting for the B1M video Missing from all the stats in the official media presentation was how many immigrant workers will die building it... Also from B1M whxih might interest some 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 14 hours ago, tonyh29 said: Saudi’s are planning a “linear city ” 170km long housing 9 million people Looks impressive if they can pull it off Looks like that Nazi holiday camp taken to it's logical conclusion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Wasn't sure where to put this. A very hard watch. A lorry driver distracted by his phone and the inevitable happens. Anyone who messes about with their phone while driving needs to see this and realise how stupid they are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 53 minutes ago, Xela said: Wasn't sure where to put this. A very hard watch. A lorry driver distracted by his phone and the inevitable happens. Anyone who messes about with their phone while driving needs to see this and realise how stupid they are. I'm on the road alot, an the amount of people I see on there phones, even when they could just link it to there car is shocking. I look a few times when overtaking, you can see them swerving nearly out the lanes, an low and behold they are either typing or have the phone to there ear. Truck drivers are forever going out there lanes and I've also seen many swerve onto the hard shoulder onto the rumble straps. More needs to be done, as if it wasn't for other drivers being aware there would be lots more accidents. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted July 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31, 2022 Automated cars cannot come soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 hours ago, TheAuthority said: Automated cars cannot come soon enough. You think cars will be able to perfectly read every single scenario and react perfectly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 31, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Genie said: You think cars will be able to perfectly read every single scenario and react perfectly? Better than humans is surely the question 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, blandy said: Better than humans is surely the question They won’t be. They’ll be programmed by humans for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 31, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 31, 2022 Just now, Genie said: They won’t be. They’ll be programmed by humans for a start. That’s not a tenable or logical argument when you get into how these things work. Flight Control Systems and autopilot are “programmed by humans”. They (FCS) are better and safer than humans at controlling aircraft flight. Super expensive because they’re DAL A software and hardware, but the pilot is pretty much just there as a monitor in reality in modern airliners, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, blandy said: That’s not a tenable or logical argument when you get into how these things work. Flight Control Systems and autopilot are “programmed by humans”. They (FCS) are better and safer than humans at controlling aircraft flight. Super expensive because they’re DAL A software and hardware, but the pilot is pretty much just there as a monitor in reality in modern airliners, for example. Cars are a completely different kettle of fish. Theres much less for planes to hit than cars. They will have to make thousands of serious decisions every trip. Then every other car around them, inches away, is trying to do the same on an every changing landscape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 25 minutes ago, Genie said: They won’t be. They’ll be programmed by humans for a start. They already are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 31, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Genie said: Cars are a completely different kettle of fish. Theres much less for planes to hit than cars. They will have to make thousands of serious decisions every trip. Then every other car around them, inches away, is trying to do the same on an every changing landscape. Not really, not from a technical perspective. It’s much more difficult to fly a plane than drive a car for either man or machine. It’s 3 dimensional, not 2. It’s faster and while distances are greater, time is similar. So the thing is, whether human or machine, the job is to detect stuff ( e.g. objects, conditions etc.) and then calculate continuously how to react to those things and then to actually implement an action…then repeat…it’s the same process for both cars and planes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31, 2022 57 minutes ago, Genie said: You think cars will be able to perfectly read every single scenario and react perfectly? They absolutely will do. People will die along the way, but less than die currently and reducing as time goes on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, Genie said: They will have to make thousands of serious decisions every trip. Then every other car around them, inches away, is trying to do the same on an every changing landscape. This is exactly why they will be better than humans. They're better at multi tasking and not distracted. My only real worry is software failure. That's going to be the thing they really need to get right. I don't fancy hitting Ctrl Alt Delete halfway along Spaghetti Junction. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, sidcow said: This is exactly why they will be better than humans. They're better at multi tasking and not distracted. My only real worry is software failure. That's going to be the thing they really need to get right. I don't fancy hitting Ctrl Alt Delete halfway along Spaghetti Junction. The software is exactly the issue. We’ve seen lots of examples where autonomous cars don’t recognise a lorry or the suns reflection off the wet ground freaked it out. There’s thousands of these scenarios waiting to be discovered every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Genie said: The software is exactly the issue. We’ve seen lots of examples where autonomous cars don’t recognise a lorry or the suns reflection off the wet ground freaked it out. There’s thousands of these scenarios waiting to be discovered every day. Yes, and they're being discovered every day. They're doing millions of miles of motoring all the time right now, constantly learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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