snowychap Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 It sure would have been better of without us...What negative effect upon the planet earth have human beings had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 It sure would have been better of without us, after we're gone I'm sure it'll slowly recuperate. No way man, if humanity is going down I'm taking all those bastard cats with me. Cats suck. Let's leave the planet to the apes, that worked out pretty well in that one movie. Dunston Checks In? That's the one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 It sure would have been better of without us... What negative effect upon the planet earth have human beings had? Pollution and killing all the animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Makes me sad. It makes me enraged. I'd like to personally hunt down and shoot every dickhead who has a financial or vanity interest in the killing of these great cats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I think they named those photos wrong though, the "jaguar" looks like a leopard, and vice versa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I think they named those photos wrong though, the "jaguar" looks like a leopard, and vice versa Nah, they've just changed their spots. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) What negative effect upon the planet earth have human beings had? Pollution and killing all the animals.I doubt the planet gives a flying bollock about either of those things.'Pollution' - what do you mean by that? Something that attacks the current ecosystem? Why is that a problem for the planet?'Killing all the animals' - I guess the planet will just get some new ones if that's the way forward (otherwise, there'll just be a lot of new, different organisms).You seem to be making the mistake of viewing the world in human terms (i.e. that normality is the snapshot we take now).The Earth is not a human planet: it's a planet that is currently inhabited by human beings.Tomorrow, it will be a planet that won't even remember human beings. Edited February 22, 2015 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Tomorrow, it will be a planet that won't even remember human beings. Well, that sounds ominous... What are you planning, snowy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Tomorrow, it will be a planet that won't even remember human beings. Well, that sounds ominous... What are you planning, snowy? Nuttin' That's tomorrow as in 'the future'. It's (intended to be) metaphorically elegiac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) What negative effect upon the planet earth have human beings had? Pollution and killing all the animals. I doubt the planet gives a flying bollock about either of those things. 'Pollution' - what do you mean by that? Something that attacks the current ecosystem? Why is that a problem for the planet? 'Killing all the animals' - I guess the planet will just get some new ones if that's the way forward (otherwise, there'll just be a lot of new, different organisms). You seem to be making the mistake of viewing the world in human terms (i.e. that normality is the snapshot we take now). The Earth is not a human planet: it's a planet that is currently inhabited by human beings. Tomorrow, it will be a planet that won't even remember human beings. Humans can only think in human terms since they only have human brains to think with. And I don't think I'm making the mistake you think I make. Humans are hardly a force for good when it come to nature and the eco as an whole. Edited February 22, 2015 by useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) . Edited February 22, 2015 by useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) Humans can only think in human terms since they only have human brains to think with.That's not quite as much nonsense as I originally wanted to call it.The problem with what you're posting is that you're looking at the Earth and talking about it in human-centric terms. That is nonsense.This planet is not a 'human' planet. Humans are a transitory fleck of dust on Earth/Mother Nature's 'gilet'. Edited February 22, 2015 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 The planet was here long before us and will still be here long after. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Humans can only think in human terms since they only have human brains to think with. That's not quite as much nonsense as I originally wanted to call it. The problem with what you're posting is that you're looking at the Earth and talking about it in human-centric terms. That is nonsense. This planet is not a 'human' planet. Humans are a transitory fleck of dust on Earth/Mother Nature's 'gilet'. It's not nonsense at all in fact it can be reduced even further, to the fact that individuals can only ultimately see the world from their own perspective since they only have their own brain with which to perceive it. Of course there is empathy. I don't quite get the rest of your point in relation to what I've written. It's not human-centric nor have said anything to suggest that I think the planet is a human planet. It seems like you have something to say and I kind of agree with it, but it doesn't make much sense as a reply to what I've written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) It's not nonsense at all in fact it can be reduced even further, to the fact that individuals can only ultimately see the world from their own perspective since they only have their own brain with which to perceive it.As I said, it wasn't quite as much nonsense as I originally wanted to call it, in that there is something to the idea that knowledge - rather than experience - limits understanding and perception and imagination.That wasn't, though, what I was criticizing (and it wasn't what you were alluding to). You were talking about 'the Earth' in terms relative to us (human beings) as we and the ecosystem around us exist now. The Earth is not that.Unless we destroy it (and by destroy it, I mean destroy it as opposed to destroy a suitable environment for 'us' to survive), it will continue to survive whether or not you exist, or I exist or big cats exist. It may not be recognizable as the planet of today but it will still be The Earth (though we may not be around to verify that - and that sounds like a truly 'existential threat'). Edited February 22, 2015 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 It's not nonsense at all in fact it can be reduced even further, to the fact that individuals can only ultimately see the world from their own perspective since they only have their own brain with which to perceive it. As I said, it wasn't quite as much nonsense as I originally wanted to call it, in that there is something to the idea that knowledge - rather than experience - limits understanding and perception and imagination. That wasn't, though, what I was criticizing (and it wasn't what you were alluding to). You were talking about 'the Earth' in terms relative to us (human beings) as we and the ecosystem around us exist now. The Earth is not that. Unless we destroy it (and by destroy it, I mean destroy it as opposed to destroy a suitable environment for 'us' to survive), it will continue to survive whether or not you exist, or I exist or big cats exist. It may not be recognizable as the planet of today but it will still be The Earth (though we may not be around to verify that - and that sounds like a truly 'existential threat'). That ultimately we can only perceive the world from our own individual brains isn't an idea but a fact. I wasn't talking about the earth relative to human beings, although I was talking about it relative to nature in general, so I guess your point still stands. But like I say there is no denying that humans have had a bad affect on the planet as it exists today and that damage could still be affecting the planet and it's ecosystems long after we've gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted February 22, 2015 Administrator Share Posted February 22, 2015 That ultimately we can only perceive the world from our own individual brains isn't an idea but a fact. I'm not sure that's true, I think we do a lot of things which require us to view the world without a "human filter". Most mathematics and applied sciences require models which aren't natural to land apes. In these fields thinking human is a handicap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Proper deep! Let me leave you with this thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Sadly, it's not only big cats that are in trouble. Extinction events are part and parcel of nature, but one can't help feel especially shitty about the ongoing crisis because humans are the problem. It's not quite at the levels of a big extinction event yet, but it is certainly heading in that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I'd be happy to see all snakes extinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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