ianrobo1 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 er. Ian I would argue it was designed to give the masses something to think about and give people power so over the time it is like that .... How much do they think the works of art the vatican owns is worth, I read upto £30bn so why don't they sell them and help the real needy and show up certain governments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 I know, maybe I misread Ratboy's comments but he said that religion is a load of **** bollocks designed to fragment the working class, people are identifying with the wrong problems which sort of implies that religion has been setup purely as a method to keep the working classes in the gutter. In its true sense religion has helped the working classes and less well off. Its when its ability to do this is abused for peoples own prosperity is where it fails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratboy Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 religion has been hijacked by the capitalists. This has been the case since the advent of the INdustrial revolution (and yes i know religion goes way back beyond this). It is socially constructed in recent times, by the bourgeoisie who use it as a solution to the proletariat problem, the working class can be fragmented using religion, it gives people a false identity. The capitalists have been successful in the attempt at the racialisation of race, making people identify with race, rather than class, as the key problem in society. This stops the working class unifying and overthrowing the bourgeosie, to cliam their rightful position in society. Hence, IMO, religion at the moment is a complete and utter load of wank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 ratboy, while I dont disagree with a lot of what you are saying, you cant paint all of religion with same brush. There is still a lot of good that comes from people's faith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratboy Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 there may be good intentions but all religion is hijacked by the capitalists and used as a solution to the proletarian problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 agreed RB, so often religion is used as a mask by people with ulterior motives both knowingly and unknowingly. The point I was trying to make is that all religion isnt bad though and you cant condem a whole faith by the actions of people who claim to follow it. (except if the faith itself promotes violence .....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 13, 2005 Moderator Share Posted September 13, 2005 It's perhaps a bizarre concept, but is it not a case of "my religion is better than your religion/my version of God is better than yours, therefore you're inferior and I'm superior, therefore I demand the right to march around celebrating the fact that I'm good, you're bad" It's not the religion that's the problem, but people going against their religion's teachings and using a handy tool with which to express their self proclaimed superiority. In a society which is divided along this bonkers man (and it is man, not woman) made line, then any old excuse for a ruck can be used. Petrol bombs and guns have got now't to do with expressing religious views and everything to do with shows of "strength" There are echoes of the 'assylum seeker" arguments in the Protestant's arguments - "they get everything and we get nothing" type bleating - "we're frustrated, it's not fair" No what's not fair is shooting, beating, kneecapping, petrol bombing, murder and all the other appalling acts that have gone on in that place for a very long time. I have no idea of the answer, and can't understand the depth of the divide at all. I mean who gives a f*ck where someone goes to church? if indeed they do at all. It's just the endless human ability to have conflicts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJRM050389 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 I was shocked once when i saw a documentry on Rangers and Celtic regarding the religious divide. A large amount of people feel strongly about it so what can you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJRM050389 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Rangers fans siniging "billy boys" and sayin the words fenian(?) tonight in there game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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