thetrees Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 no I did not TT thats the twist !!! I said the war was not morally justifable, you have twisted it My apologies then for misinterpreting it. I don't 'twist' as I don't feel the need to do so. I shall refrain from posting in this thread any further. EDIT: even if it means giving Ian the last word :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrobo1 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 if you can not understand that both actions can both be morrally unjustifable it is best that you do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 if you can not understand that both actions can both be morrally unjustifable it is best that you do Ner ner ne ner ner! You my friend need a healthy dose of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrobo1 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 no AWOL you do, war war war never solves anything hasn't Afghanistan taught you that ? sometimes you need it sometimes you need war and talk and sometimes just talk woudl you have said back in the 80;s we should have gone a 'war' against the IRA because 15 years later we had peace by talking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 no AWOL you do, war war war never solves anything hasn't Afghanistan taught you that ? Hang on, your a supporter of Afghan intervention allegedly? Back tracking now? woudl you have said back in the 80;s we should have gone a 'war' against the IRA because 15 years later we had peace by talkingWe creamed the IRA, they came to the table because they had lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrobo1 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I backed the invasion it had to be done but not the subsquent way we handled it the IRA did not lose or have you lost who is the main nationalist party and has a deputy PM ? and when the demographics cathc up will be the majority party no one has won or lost, a draw brought about by talking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuse Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I would fight without doubt. I love my country and would be willing to die for it. I think it is part of our culture to be like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 the IRA did not lose the IRA did loose as they are now power sharing .. a check of their aims will tell you that was not their agenda when they started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daft Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Yes, but I would probably be a bit shit with the killing part though. I suspect I will have the dying part down to tee. After hearing about my grandfathers experiences on the Eastern Front during WWII, I seriously hope we never have to see a global conflict like that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villadude Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 In answer to the original post, yes I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Just so I'm clear on this, you think it's morally justifiable to sit back and not take action when a countries territory and it's citizens are subject to occupation by a foreign military force? sh why aren't we fighting the Americans in Iraq ? do you believe all problems can be sorted by force ? Because Iraq isn't our territory, if it was, we would be. Do you believe all problems can be sorted by discussion? some can and have been Northern Ireland being the obvious example Some can yes, all can't. When one of your territories is invaded by a military government it's one of the times they can't. It's then your duty to send troops to defend your citizens against the attacking military force. Turning round to the argies and going "you don't wanna do that, come have a cup of tea and lets talk about it" would have got us nowhere, they invaded them because they thought we wouldn't respond with military action and they wouldn't have backed down to negotiations because the people would have turned even futher against the military government. We HAD to respond will military action, and anyone that says it's not morally justifiable to defend your own citizens has some seriously messed up morals. What about if it had of been wales or scotland? Should we have just let them have those stupid bits of land? Who care's about the British subjects on there, lets just hand them over too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B6 to E6 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 If there was a war on, and troops were low, then I would join up, or at least i would give the forces the option of taking me. I suspect after seeing the state of me, and also having seen my call of duty score, the army would let me go back home. It's the thought that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I would fight if my country was under attack. WW2 for example, I would have certainly fought for the allied cause, because I believe it is was the right thing to do. However, this is a point I find interesting and something that needs to be explored. Do people believe that ALL Germans that fought for the Nazi's were evil, nasty people? Because I certainly dont. I'm sure alot of Germans who were not anti-semic or in the least facist died for Nazi Germany. I'm not a historian, but I think fighting for ones country is circumstancial. We, living in cultures and countries that we do, see a choice. Do all people throughout history who have fought and died for their country had that choice, one way or another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrogers Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 All wars have been justified by someone, Iraq and Afganistan by labour 2 of the most illegal wars in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 21, 2008 Moderator Share Posted November 21, 2008 All wars have been justified by someone, Iraq and Afganistan by labour 2 of the most illegal wars in history. How on earth do you come to that conclusion? WW1, WW2, Irag invading Kwait, Japan attacking America,the Falklands, the Gulf war, just about every war you can think off could be descirbed as illegal from one perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 If there was a war on, and troops were low, then I would join up, or at least i would give the forces the option of taking me. I suspect after seeing the state of me, and also having seen my call of duty score, the army would let me go back home. It's the thought that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nath182 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I would! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 There was a time i would be glad to fight for my country, not now though in a time where our nations own soldiers are abused and treated so disrespectfully by the people they fight for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I'm never fight for my country, I don't feel I have a strong enough bond with England to do so. However, given that my family reside here and if they were under threat... I'd rather be on the front line fighting the enemy as far away from my home as possible with a gun in my hand and my brothers in arms around me than on my front lawn with my pool cue keeping the new Nazis from the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted November 21, 2008 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2008 Would I fight for my country? Of course. Would I fight for yours? Unlikely! Maybe I should have posted this in the "Why do the Scottish hate the English" thread :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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