TheMightyVillans Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Leipzig have wanted him for awhile. Wasn't there reports that he turned them down? I suspect he was happy to join us and we have been trying to get rid of carlos and/or donk which was holding up the deal. Now we realise this ain't going to happen in time Geertruida is open to moving to leipzig. This one really hurts. Much more than felix. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan501 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, TheMightyVillans said: Leipzig have wanted him for awhile. Wasn't there reports that he turned them down? I suspect he was happy to join us and we have been trying to get rid of carlos and/or donk which was holding up the deal. Now we realise this ain't going to happen in time Geertruida is open to moving to leipzig. This one really hurts. Much more than felix. Yep this absolutely kills because our RB needs an upgrade for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LondonLax Posted August 30 Popular Post Share Posted August 30 6 hours ago, Zatman said: I think people are going a bit OTT for a player that could have easily flopped in this league and crucially have probably never bid for him. He is pretty much unproven outside the Dutch league and some of the Feyenoord goals conceded so far this season has had him in dodgy positions Our season wont be successful or a failure based on signing him or Felix I doubt many have ever watched him play. He was built up as the messiah simply because his name was not Matty Cash. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted August 30 VT Supporter Share Posted August 30 Let Rogers roast the pillock in the Champions League 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Delphinho123 Posted August 30 Popular Post Share Posted August 30 His beard offended me anyway. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 To be honest, he reminded me of Leandro Bacuna which was always a massive red flag. Could be a bullet dodged this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eholm Posted August 30 Popular Post Share Posted August 30 9 hours ago, nick76 said: The financial issue we have might be more the % of wages to revenue for European competition so we may not be about to do loans anyway so not getting Geerty may also mean no loan either as loan wages may count in the UEFA calculation even if paid as a fee to the parent club. This 100%. Our lack of activity since Onana is purely down to SCR not PSR. Emery has been very consistent in saying that players must leave before others come in. This, principally, is due to the SCR wage % restrictions we only managed to adhere to by selling Diaby as per Vidigany. Any more deals needed a high earner or 2 to leave such as Carlos or Donck. We couldn’t move them quick enough (or at all) to facilitate getting LG for example. Any incoming loans will still be significantly restricted by SCR as even if Donck leaves on loan I imagine we will be covering the majority of his salary so SCR is not reduced enough to enable an addition on loan. Not impossible but unlikely imo. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 18 minutes ago, eholm said: This 100%. Our lack of activity since Onana is purely down to SCR not PSR. Emery has been very consistent in saying that players must leave before others come in. This, principally, is due to the SCR wage % restrictions we only managed to adhere to by selling Diaby as per Vidigany. Any more deals needed a high earner or 2 to leave such as Carlos or Donck. We couldn’t move them quick enough (or at all) to facilitate getting LG for example. Any incoming loans will still be significantly restricted by SCR as even if Donck leaves on loan I imagine we will be covering the majority of his salary so SCR is not reduced enough to enable an addition on loan. Not impossible but unlikely imo. This ^ sums up the situation perfectly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Spending £20m or more on a player with not a lot of time on his contract before he can talk to others for a free transfer is bad business for me. Nothing for me to suggest that our interest was that high. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 2 hours ago, eholm said: This 100%. Our lack of activity since Onana is purely down to SCR not PSR. Emery has been very consistent in saying that players must leave before others come in. This, principally, is due to the SCR wage % restrictions we only managed to adhere to by selling Diaby as per Vidigany. Any more deals needed a high earner or 2 to leave such as Carlos or Donck. We couldn’t move them quick enough (or at all) to facilitate getting LG for example. Any incoming loans will still be significantly restricted by SCR as even if Donck leaves on loan I imagine we will be covering the majority of his salary so SCR is not reduced enough to enable an addition on loan. Not impossible but unlikely imo. What's SCR stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, The_Steve said: Spending £20m or more on a player with not a lot of time on his contract before he can talk to others for a free transfer is bad business for me. Nothing for me to suggest that our interest was that high. Why though? Genuinely. I don’t see the obsession with players having x amount of time left on their contract. It will likely be harder to sign him as a free agent due to competition. His wages will go up along with a hefty signing bonus I imagine. There’s also the fact that you have to wait another season to get the player you want and IF you need a player in that position you’d then go and spend £20m on someone else (who may have 3 years left on his contract) so what’s the net gain? If we want a more established right back right now, we know it’s going to cost us £20-£40m. It doesn’t matter what the contract status of the player is. Not a dig at you, I’ve just seen several people mention how they don’t see the value due to his contract. If we want the player, we have to pay what the club want. If they’re ballsy, they ain’t dropping the value and fair play to them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAZZAM Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Actually baffles me how he can be a priority signing(so the athletic says) and then not signed due to costs. If money was so tight why did we rebuy JPB over a new RB?Were we that naive in assuming someone would buy Diego and Donk surely that couldn't be assumed. Just seems a super disappointing end to the window and bad transfer strategy planning to me. Remember Geertruida was gonna cover CDM aswell do it was OK for Enzo to go on loan?? Yeh that worked out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 2 minutes ago, KAZZAM said: Actually baffles me how he can be a priority signing(so the athletic says) and then not signed due to costs. If money was so tight why did we rebuy JPB over a new RB?Were we that naive in assuming someone would buy Diego and Donk surely that couldn't be assumed. Just seems a super disappointing end to the window and bad transfer strategy planning to me. Remember Geertruida was gonna cover CDM aswell do it was OK for Enzo to go on loan?? Yeh that worked out. We let Diaby go and signed JPB. The plan was clearly Carlos leaving and Geertruida signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 (edited) 2 minutes ago, CVByrne said: We let Diaby go and signed JPB. The plan was clearly Carlos leaving and Geertruida signing. Given the choice I'd just have kept Iling-Jr as fourth choice wide man or whatever he'd be, and signed Geertruida over Philogene (hypothetically if it came down to either or). Especially as we have Buendia and Ramsey back in the fold. Edited August 30 by Tom13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eholm Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 2 hours ago, Tom13 said: What's SCR stand for? Squad Cost Rules. It’s UEFA’s equivalent of PSR but focuses on wages vs turnover. At present the maximum allowed is 80%. This the reason we sold Diaby as Vidagany confirmed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 2 minutes ago, eholm said: Squad Cost Rules. It’s UEFA’s equivalent of PSR but focuses on wages vs turnover. At present the maximum allowed is 80%. This the reason we sold Diaby as Vidagany confirmed. So the Donck loan out could help us (if it happens)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_AA_786 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 57 minutes ago, Tom13 said: Given the choice I'd just have kept Iling-Jr as fourth choice wide man or whatever he'd be, and signed Geertruida over Philogene (hypothetically if it came down to either or). Especially as we have Buendia and Ramsey back in the fold. Getting Philogene for £13m when others were bidding £18m for him was too good a deal to turn. We'll likely see that value go up from playing in the prem and then can bank profit next summer if needing to sell (which many expect we will need to do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 4 minutes ago, _AA_786 said: Getting Philogene for £13m when others were bidding £18m for him was too good a deal to turn. We'll likely see that value go up from playing in the prem and then can bank profit next summer if needing to sell (which many expect we will need to do) Is he going to get enough game time to increase his value though? Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eholm Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 11 minutes ago, Tom13 said: So the Donck loan out could help us (if it happens)? I don’t think the deal would be enough mate as I imagine we would still be paying large proportion of his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 minute ago, Tom13 said: Is he going to get enough game time to increase his value though? Time will tell. Yes he will.. Bailey isn’t playing every game there is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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