StefanAVFC Posted August 9 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9 Obviously the reasonable reaction to a British citizen, with a background from a 99% Christian country, murdering 3 little girls is to get pissed up and attack mosques and hotels filled with asylum seekers. Totally fine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Just now, Vive_La_Villa said: I've asked @MCU twice what the protesters want but still no answer. You won’t get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Just now, StefanAVFC said: Obviously the reasonable reaction to a British citizen, with a background from a 99% Christian country, murdering 3 little girls is to get pissed up and attack mosques and hotels filled with asylum seekers. Totally fine. You say this mate, but where is your condemnation of 9/11? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 minute ago, _AA_786 said: @MCU I take this back If we're really talking about the 3 little girls, then we need to see what the criminals motives were for his heinous attack. As yet we don't know the reasons so our only avenues to look at are; To look at the number of weapons in society - knife crime in particular is Mental Health issues Protection for schools/classes etc. The murderer was neither Muslim or an Immigrant but if were looking at the topic of illegal migration then we need to talk about; Creating more Border Force jobs and deploying guards to monitor the shores as a deterrent Improving the system for processing asylum applications or deporting people where needed Working with the French and EU to devise a better solution than the current setup with Jungles in Calais Working with the EU and Interpol to break up these people smuggling gangs Not sure how the rioters have done any of the above with their actions but happy to hear otherwise if you think they've advanced the discussion/development on any of those topics. Well put. If only the rest of you would debate as good as this instead of resorting to playing the race card constantly. Can I drop you a PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Just now, MCU said: Well put. If only the rest of you would debate as good as this instead of resorting to playing the race card constantly. Can I drop you a PM. If only you could articulate what your actual issue is instead of weird sound bites then we’d be able to discuss more sensibly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted August 9 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9 1 minute ago, MCU said: Well put. If only the rest of you would debate as good as this instead of resorting to playing the race card constantly. Can I drop you a PM. people might refrain from playing the "race card" when you stop bringing up the southport murders that were committed to a british christian who happens to be non-white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 9 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9 21 hours ago, sidcow said: Again it's funny though how the right can shine a light on the actions of 1 scumbag to justify the actions on 1,000 scumbags. It's like losing a football match 98 - 1 and trying to claim a draw. Like I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 2 minutes ago, bobzy said: If only you could articulate what your actual issue is instead of weird sound bites then we’d be able to discuss more sensibly. From what I remember, he's pretty young and works at Iceland, so maybe he can't, or isn't as fortunate as you, who can. Football forums are hardly a beacon of light to intellectuals after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 9 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9 9 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I've asked @MCU twice what the protesters want but still no answer. Ill answer. They want no black or brown people living in this country. That's the be all and end all of it. Except for a few who want a looted computer and to smash shit up/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_AA_786 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 4 minutes ago, MCU said: Well put. If only the rest of you would debate as good as this instead of resorting to playing the race card constantly. Can I drop you a PM. Absolutely, feel free to PM me whenever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tonyh29 Posted August 9 Popular Post Share Posted August 9 28 minutes ago, MCU said: Yes, they almost had me but I've slept on it and can't just seem to shake the ignorance of it all. My original point still stands, people (on here as an example) seem to be only focusing on one side of the debate ie in this instance anybody and everybody who went out the other night is now part of 'the evil far right'. So much so, there's a whole thread dedicated to it. There was a bloke yesterday or the day before saying we should slit the throats of these so called 'far right' surrounded by people cheering him on. I then get resorted to being called a racist because I'm calling this shit out for what it is, but there's this weird regime going on where we must label anybody trying to stand up for little girls getting stabbed to death as a racist. I'm one of VT's anti yogurt knitting brigade , I'm sure many of them have me on the axis of evil list But , surely you can fundamentally see that rioting and looting isn't standing up for little girls . If someone killed my daughter and the resulting outcome was vandalising immigration centres , attacking brown people and raiding Greggs , Id be absolutely **** livid . You can have a stance on immigration , i think even many lefties agree that something needs to be done , but intimidating people that have lived their whole life here, were born here , isn't having a view on immigration , its racism end of .. The Robinsons of this world are getting rich off the back of peddling this crap , people who believe them are getting criminal records ,whilst they get richer . 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted August 9 Popular Post Share Posted August 9 3 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I'm one of VT's anti yogurt knitting brigade , I'm sure many of them have me on the axis of evil list But , surely you can fundamentally see that rioting and looting isn't standing up for little girls . If someone killed my daughter and the resulting outcome was vandalising immigration centres , attacking brown people and raiding Greggs , Id be absolutely **** livid . You can have a stance on immigration , i think even many lefties agree that something needs to be done , but intimidating people that have lived their whole life here, were born here , isn't having a view on immigration , its racism end of .. The Robinsons of this world are getting rich off the back of peddling this crap , people who believe them are getting criminal records ,whilst they get richer . Not a bad viewpoint at all, Dr. Evil. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 9 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9 Why didn't the far right riot when Ian Huntley murdered those school girls? Where were the thugs standing up for them? I put it to you that it's because Ian Huntley is white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DCJonah Posted August 9 Popular Post Share Posted August 9 The idea that this is standing up for those little girls is a disgrace to their memory and what their families are going through. People should be absolutely ashamed to associate what we've seen happening all over the country and the tragic killing of those 3. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 9 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9 Just now, DCJonah said: The idea that this is standing up for those little girls is a disgrace to their memory and what their families are going through. People should be absolutely ashamed to associate what we've seen happening all over the country and the tragic killing of those 3. Well said. The parents must be absolutely horrified in the middle of their grief. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 27 minutes ago, MCU said: Well put. If only the rest of you would debate as good as this instead of resorting to playing the race card constantly. Can I drop you a PM. You definitely overestimate your powers of communicating your 'point'. And you've said plenty of things and ignored plenty of points put to you that imo at least justify a backlash against you. Do you ever think that maybe you're the problem? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 9 minutes ago, sidcow said: Well said. The parents must be absolutely horrified in the middle of their grief. At least one set of parents have spoken out against it and asked for them to stop, but they were ignored, because it's not a rationale or justifiable reaction to Southport, and it never was 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 9 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9 21 minutes ago, sidcow said: Why didn't the far right riot when Ian Huntley murdered those school girls? Where were the thugs standing up for them? I put it to you that it's because Ian Huntley is white. And hey @MCU. Where are the rioters standing up for all the babies killed by Lucy Letby? Please explain this to because I'm having a lot of trouble processing your justification for the rioting? Sounds very much like the double standards you are always so keen to trumpet about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_AA_786 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 23 minutes ago, sidcow said: Ill answer. They want no black or brown people living in this country. That's the be all and end all of it. Except for a few who want a looted computer and to smash shit up/ Not to a noticeable level so they won't get their wish just yet but there are a number of British born non-white people in the last few years that I know where they've chosen to emigrate elsewhere. All had jobs or skills that made them in demand for other countries and for some one of the contributing factors was the increasing race based undertones to things. It's sad to see and its why I find it so reassuring that VT posters largely have a progressive mindset. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 6 minutes ago, sidcow said: And hey @MCU. Where are the rioters standing up for all the babies killed by Lucy Letby? Please explain this to because I'm having a lot of trouble processing your justification for the rioting? Sounds very much like the double standards you are always so keen to trumpet about. Two-tier rioting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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