VILLAFC2000 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Brown was having none of it. nice attempt at trying to rewrite history , you are a deluded as Brown is you ought to read some accounts of what went on ..it wont surprise you to learn it's nothing like what you claim Which bit dont you agree with...? how about all of it the thought that Brown was "having none of it" is just laughable ..The country had decisively rejected Gordon Brown and he was ignoring the will of the electorate by trying desperately to hold onto office by his fingernails. So your saying that the liberals did not have any talks with Labour...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAFC2000 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Brown was having none of it. nice attempt at trying to rewrite history , you are a deluded as Brown is you ought to read some accounts of what went on ..it wont surprise you to learn it's nothing like what you claim Which bit dont you agree with...? how about all of it the thought that Brown was "having none of it" is just laughable ..The country had decisively rejected Gordon Brown and he was ignoring the will of the electorate by trying desperately to hold onto office by his fingernails. He had to stay on until a deal was done. Otherwise there's be a gap when no-one was in charge. It's the rules. Do you think that If Cameron was in the same position he would not have tried to do the same thing....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Clegg used it as Leverage to get as much for his party as he could. He tried to start a bidding war between the two parties. Brown was having none of it. Cameron and Clegg knew there was a strong possibility that it could be hung parliament. There was a 40 minute conversation on the telephone before the two of them which was many of them believe they made some kind of pact. Could you please, please let me know where you got your info. I want to read it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAFC2000 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Just where on earth do you get this inside information from? Its not the Daily Mail thats for sure...! ok could you just let me know so I could check it out please http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00t8p52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Brown was having none of it. nice attempt at trying to rewrite history , you are a deluded as Brown is you ought to read some accounts of what went on ..it wont surprise you to learn it's nothing like what you claim Which bit dont you agree with...? how about all of it the thought that Brown was "having none of it" is just laughable ..The country had decisively rejected Gordon Brown and he was ignoring the will of the electorate by trying desperately to hold onto office by his fingernails. So your saying that the liberals did not have any talks with Labour...? it's well documented that they spoke to both sides , it's your somewhat fictional version of events over Brown that I am questioning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Also there is nothing there to suggest the Libs and Tories did a deal before the Election. You're not making this up are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAFC2000 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Brown was having none of it. nice attempt at trying to rewrite history , you are a deluded as Brown is you ought to read some accounts of what went on ..it wont surprise you to learn it's nothing like what you claim Which bit dont you agree with...? how about all of it the thought that Brown was "having none of it" is just laughable ..The country had decisively rejected Gordon Brown and he was ignoring the will of the electorate by trying desperately to hold onto office by his fingernails. So your saying that the liberals did not have any talks with Labour...? it's well documented that they spoke to both sides , it's your somewhat fictional version of events over Brown that I am questioning A Phone call between Clegg and Brown near the end of the negotiations. “Clegg called and asked for more time” GB: Time for what.Unless you can tell me you have broken of talks with the torries I will assume you are going with the torries. I am now in an impossible position. Nick you have made your choice. I am not going to go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I voted for the Lib dems after hearing their policies, they never stuck by any of them and backed up the Tories to get their toe in in power, how is that right? All parties break promises .. Accept this and then everything will be ok :-) Don't accept 'this' and things may begin to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAFC2000 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Clegg used it as Leverage to get as much for his party as he could. He tried to start a bidding war between the two parties. Brown was having none of it. Cameron and Clegg knew there was a strong possibility that it could be hung parliament. There was a 40 minute conversation on the telephone before the two of them which was many of them believe they made some kind of pact. Could you please, please let me know where you got your info. I want to read it http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberaldemocrats/1580460/Lib-Dems-planned-coalition-pact-with-Tories.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAFC2000 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Clegg used it as Leverage to get as much for his party as he could. He tried to start a bidding war between the two parties. Brown was having none of it. Cameron and Clegg knew there was a strong possibility that it could be hung parliament. There was a 40 minute conversation on the telephone before the two of them which was many of them believe they made some kind of pact. Could you please, please let me know where you got your info. I want to read it You would be naive to think that this did not happen. Clegg is now a mere pawn in the Tories plans. He wanted the power and he got it but at what price. "Lib Dems planned coalition pact with Tories" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberaldemocrats/1580460/Lib-Dems-planned-coalition-pact-with-Tories.html] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAFC2000 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Also there is nothing there to suggest the Libs and Tories did a deal before the Election. You're not making this up are you? You sure there is nothing....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 yeah you are right, they had talks with Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAFC2000 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 yeah you are right, they had talks with Brown you have completely missed the point. Of course there was nothing official it was fairly obvious to any one who has any political sense that an " off the record pact had been made" Its even been reported in the daily Mail....>! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-513240/Lib-Con-pact-Clegg-offers-prop-Tory-government-Cameron-agrees-power-share-deal.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Its not the Daily Mail thats for sure...! you have completely missed the point. Of course there was nothing official it was fairly obvious to any one who has any political sense that an " off the record pact had been made" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-513240/Lib-Con-pact-Clegg-offers-prop-Tory-government-Cameron-agrees-power-share-deal.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 €100 billion of Greek debt written off How is that fair ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 €100 billion of Greek debt written off How is that fair ? Well it's not but then it's like they say, "If you owe the bank £100,000 they own you but if you owe the bank £100,000,000,000 you own the bank..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 You simply can't just write that level of debt off without there being consequences for the rest of us No doubt the British tax payer will end up picking up the tab for a slice of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I think it is mostly money owed to French and German banks so it is them who will take the biggest hit. It will be taxpayers in those contries who will have to recapitalise those banks. UK taxpayers are not really involved this time, unless Greece defauts and our banks have to pay out all the insurance against default they were offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I think I would have voted for the war if the government told me Iraq had WMD and could land missiles in the UK within 45minutes . Interesting again that Labour supporters only defence of the war is to mention Tories , its as though you have no real belief that bunch of crooks were up to it hence the need to deflect You really do not have a clue do you? Cameron supported Blair and the call for war - 2006 Tory leader calls for stronger action against Iraq - 2002 Cameron still supports the war - 2010 Read Hagues comments pre the war and how he claimed actions did not go far enough Michael Howard tried a marketing spin during his failed election campaign, that some still try to spout now as fact - see you posts earlier. The reality is simple here, the Iraq war was and still is supported by members of both the Labour and the Tory party, some supporters still being the leaders of that party. The only party that was really against it were the Lib Dems. Don't forget this also which completely blows your flawed argument out of the water In 2003, Conservatives voted with the Government to send British troops into military action, while all Liberal Democrats MPs opposed the war. Tony Blair relied on Conservative votes to carry the motion authorising conflict, since 139 Labour MPs rebelled against their party’s whip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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