tonyh29 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Reform bloke on BBC reckons they will receive double the amount of votes of the Lib Dems Libs projected to win 53 seats , Reform 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 1 minute ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: What you do in front of the TV when you see a picture of Mrs Thatcher is no concern of mine. Just wipe the screen afterwards. Weird. Just build up a nice patina like the rest of us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 (edited) Pundits debating how Reform are getting a high vote. Like it’s an annommly these poor working class areas are like this. Labour or the far right mentality. if the far right are getting good turnouts in these areas then the areas have been let down by centre politics for too long. Nigel’s talks their anger about the “establishment” and they feel listened to for the fist time in years. Being heard matters to these people. the safe Tory seats will be interesting on the Reform vote Edited July 4 by CarryOnVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 4 minutes ago, bickster said: Yep, I'm not seeing the exit poll being right yet. Next one is a big one. Basildon and Billericay. Most have it as a two way between Tory and Labour with Labour the outsiders but Reform really weren’t that far behind, it really is a potential three way. Edit: caveat the are local issues with Richard Holden being parachuted in with local Tory members I've thought for a while that those are two (the above plus Broxbourne, declaring shortly after) of the biggest ones to show how the night goes. If they both stay Tory then we're talking 120-150. If they go Labour then we're looking at <100. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 3 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Reform bloke on BBC reckons they will receive double the amount of votes of the Lib Dems Libs projected to win 53 seats , Reform 13 And if ever there was an argument in favour of first past the post this is it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 1 minute ago, CarryOnVilla said: Pundits debating how Reform are getting a high vote. these poor working class areas are like this. Labour or the far right mentality. if the far right are getting good turnouts in these areas then the areas have been let down by centre politics for too long. Nigel’s talks their anger about the “establishment” and they feel listened to for the fist time in years. Being heard matters to these people. Yup, I think one of the key things is increasingly high immigration while wages have stagnated for 15+ years. Controlling immigration doesn't need to be a left vs right issue, but the left are terrified of speaking about it, so the right wins a lot of single-issue voters. Hard to see a solution to that, when our economy is basically a ponzi scheme, and we have a rapidly aging demographic. It's getting worse before it gets better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 4 Moderator Share Posted July 4 1 minute ago, ml1dch said: I've thought for a while that those are two (the above plus Broxbourne, declaring shortly after) of the biggest ones to show how the night goes. If they both stay Tory then we're talking 120-150. If they go Labour then we're looking at <100. Agreed. Broxbourne should be Tory but Labour aren’t that far behind in the projections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted July 4 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4 FPTP is so undemocratic I’d rather have 50+ reform MPs than it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 4 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4 Cheer up everyone. Tories are out out out. I'm working my way around every open bottle of whisky we have in the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milfner Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 3 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I've thought for a while that those are two (the above plus Broxbourne, declaring shortly after) of the biggest ones to show how the night goes. If they both stay Tory then we're talking 120-150. If they go Labour then we're looking at <100. Basildon 56% tory hold, Broxbourne 95% labour gain according to the exit poll... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 1 minute ago, sidcow said: Cheer up everyone. Tories are out out out. I'm working my way around every open bottle of whisky we have in the house. Anything special? I'm nursing a 1988 Cu Bocan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 10 minutes ago, bickster said: Not a chance. Reform are eating into Labour's lead. Seen a stat on one of the shows tonight, Reform are dominantly composed of tory voters. Admittedly those voters could equally have just stayed home than vote for Rishi - but there's not much to show Reform are taking Labour votes away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 4 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4 Just now, Davkaus said: Anything special? I'm nursing a 1988 Cu Bocan So far a 10yr Highland Park, a Pendragon and I'm moving on to a Glenmorangie. There is something unopened at the back of the cupboard but I can't remember what it it and I can't be bothered to fish it out again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 GB News are running some live event akin to the darts and have just tried to interview a member of the crowd, but he was unable to say much as he had a mouthful of food. I can't lie, I'm enjoying it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 John Redwood moving his hands like a **** mad man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 4 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4 16 minutes ago, bickster said: Yep, I'm not seeing the exit poll being right yet. Next one is a big one. Basildon and Billericay. Most have it as a two way between Tory and Labour with Labour the outsiders but Reform really weren’t that far behind, it really is a potential three way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 4 Moderator Share Posted July 4 Dorries vs Alister Campbell is shaping up to be great night. She’s slurring already 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Low turnout and without blowing one's trumpet that is what I predicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted July 4 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4 Think I’ll spend the rest of my night writing Alastair Campbell/Nadine Dorries fan fiction. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Labour flat in Sunderland again. These are worrying numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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