sidcow Posted July 4 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4 7 minutes ago, Xann said: Byline Times This is actually why I think they won't go away. The messaging by the sound of it is relentless. A number of people on here have ready said about the number of Reform posts on their local socials. And if the message is relentless is will eventually get through. It's why you suddenly have man in the pub saying "actually Putin has a point about The West forcing his hand in Ukraine" and people tearing their hair out about a miniscule number of people arriving on small boats. I don't see these posts stopping and the fact they've got 18% of the vote is frankly scary. Western Governments really need to get a grip on this but there just doesn't seem to be the will, and certainly the tech Companies don't seem to give a shit, despite the fact that if all government's get turned right wing by Russian and Chinese influence bots, their own business model will be destroyed there's noting quasi dictators hate less than Social Media they don't control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 1 hour ago, ml1dch said: And probably the Lib Dems as well. If the pressure on Labour is coming from that flank, it's going to make it harder to resist. If Ed Davey is asking every week "why not fix things by moving closer to Europe?", in the most Europhile House of Commons probably in history, the dial could easily move. Second term still won't happen though. Obviously lots can change (here and there), but it feels to me as though Starmer's successor is going to need is going to need to lean heavily into a very pro-EU membership and it's quite easy to see "under my leadership we'll start trying to rejoin" and that being one of the defining issues of the next contest, whenever that might be. I dont think anyone would be brave enough to rejoin without a referendum. Its too polarising a subject and would leave people open to too much political spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted July 4 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4 48 minutes ago, HKP90 said: I just had one on tiktok that I couldn't close Uninstall the app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 5 minutes ago, sidcow said: This is actually why I think they won't go away. The messaging by the sound of it is relentless. A number of people on here have ready said about the number of Reform posts on their local socials. And if the message is relentless is will eventually get through. It's why you suddenly have man in the pub saying "actually Putin has a point about The West forcing his hand in Ukraine" and people tearing their hair out about a miniscule number of people arriving on small boats. I don't see these posts stopping and the fact they've got 18% of the vote is frankly scary. They haven't got 18%. In fact nobody has got anything yet and we won't fully know until tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted July 4 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4 4 minutes ago, sidcow said: This is actually why I think they won't go away. The messaging by the sound of it is relentless. A number of people on here have ready said about the number of Reform posts on their local socials. And if the message is relentless is will eventually get through. It's why you suddenly have man in the pub saying "actually Putin has a point about The West forcing his hand in Ukraine" and people tearing their hair out about a miniscule number of people arriving on small boats. I don't see these posts stopping and the fact they've got 18% of the vote is frankly scary. Western Governments really need to get a grip on this but there just doesn't seem to be the will, and certainly the tech Companies don't seem to give a shit, despite the fact that if all government's get turned right wing by Russian and Chinese influence bots, their own business model will be destroyed there's noting quasi dictators hate less than Social Media they don't control. In fairness the only reason they are getting 18% of the vote is migration. That's pretty much the only issue they are getting traction on, I'm sure of it. If we didn't see all the guff about boats and immigrants, they wouldn't exist. They are a one policy party, it's just that the policy has changed from Brexit to Immigrants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted July 4 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4 11 minutes ago, HKP90 said: I kinda feel like you are asking me to either lie and say that I respect Reform's agenda (which I'm not sure even they know), or shut up. Neither of which is really conducive to a forum of debate. Hyperbole aside, I will happily enter into a civil debate with a Reform voter, if they can do the same. Neither of these is what I'm saying. Shutting up is the opposite of what I've said and I don't respect what they stand for. I'm saying that in challenging them, don't sink to their levels and give them more ammunition to go further into their entrenched viewpoints due to the "ridiculous left". Shouting them down isn't debate and isn't going to change their minds about things. It's what you'd expect them to do when trying to change your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted July 4 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4 2 minutes ago, Tegis said: Uninstall the app How would I see pictures of cats blepping then? That's how I know something up, because normally my algorithm is 90% funny cat videos, and 10% videos of people wearing a horses head mask drumming in the bath. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted July 4 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4 Just now, Rds1983 said: Neither of these is what I'm saying. Shutting up is the opposite of what I've said and I don't respect what they stand for. I'm saying that in challenging them, don't sink to their levels and give them more ammunition to go further into their entrenched viewpoints due to the "ridiculous left". Shouting them down isn't debate and isn't going to change their minds about things. It's what you'd expect them to do when trying to change your mind. Fair enough, I'll be nice and civil next time I get into a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 2 minutes ago, cheltenham_villa said: I dont think anyone would be brave enough to rejoin without a referendum. Its too polarising a subject and would leave people open to too much political spin. Also probable, and another good reason why it won't be happening any time soon. But some things are pretty certain - gravity and Brexit antipathy of the next Government will move the country back in that direction anyway. They don't need performative and pointless trade deals to show how wonderful the new path is. If there are easy wins by going back in the other direction, then they'll take the easy wins. Whether there are any, is obviously another question. Obviously they're a bunch of nutty conspiracy theorists, but one thing that the hardcore Brexit lot did get right - if they didn't completely break everything away and take the massive hit that it would entail, the country was just going to remain in the orbit of the EU, being pulled back in bit-by-bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 10 minutes ago, HKP90 said: In fairness the only reason they are getting 18% of the vote is migration. That's pretty much the only issue they are getting traction on, I'm sure of it. If we didn't see all the guff about boats and immigrants, they wouldn't exist. They are a one policy party, it's just that the policy has changed from Brexit to Immigrants. Banning of ULEZ's, HS2, shunning the WHO, scrapping TV licences, deporting child groomers with dual citizenship, corporation tax thresholds, student loan interest scrapped, more police with more power etc.. - all items that would drive interest amongst the population. People need to stop banging on about the 'racist party' tbh. No doubt they have people of that ilk within the ranks, but i can guarantee you have those in all parties, they're just not as vocal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 We should be very careful wishing for the death of the conservative party. They are ruled by tradition and committee. They have one nation tories as well as the far right nutters. If they go the nutters who represent and vote for Reform will be empowered. They are ruled by spite, hatred and xenophobia, I would take the tories over those words removed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted July 4 Popular Post Share Posted July 4 This is the kind of sick bastards Reform attracts. He actually goes further and posts that his wife isn't actually dead it's all a conspiracy. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 58 minutes ago, Rds1983 said: This site (as in Off Topic) is fairly heavily skewed to fairly left/socialist ideals and can be very open in their challenges to viewpoints such as Reform. I am SHOCKED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 1 minute ago, Seat68 said: We should be very careful wishing for the death of the conservative party. They are ruled by tradition and committee. They have one nation tories as well as the far right nutters. If they go the nutters who represent and vote for Reform will be empowered. They are ruled by spite, hatred and xenophobia, I would take the tories over those words removed. Patel Badenoch Truss Braverman Johnson Thatcher Mogg Tebbitt Redwood Lawson Hamilton that was off the top of my head, for the party of tradition and committee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 1 minute ago, chrisp65 said: Patel Badenoch Truss Braverman Johnson Thatcher Mogg Tebbitt Redwood Lawson Hamilton that was off the top of my head, for the party of tradition and committee Pincher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 33 minutes ago, cheltenham_villa said: I dont think anyone would be brave enough to rejoin without a referendum. Its too polarising a subject and would leave people open to too much political spin. someone said to me that as we had a referendum on leaving , no party could take us back in without having another referendum .. but I've no idea if this is true ? Also needs agreement from all members , so with a bit of luck the French will say Non , i can live with the shame that every American has had to suffer all these years of relying on the French for their independence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Dante_Lockhart said: Banning of ULEZ's, HS2, shunning the WHO, scrapping TV licences, deporting child groomers with dual citizenship, corporation tax thresholds, student loan interest scrapped, more police with more power etc.. - all items that would drive interest amongst the population. People need to stop banging on about the 'racist party' tbh. No doubt they have people of that ilk within the ranks, but i can guarantee you have those in all parties, they're just not as vocal. What did you think of Liz Truss' budget because something similar would be one of the first things they'd do once in power. Edited July 4 by Wainy316 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 43 minutes ago, sidcow said: I don't see these posts stopping and the fact they've got 18% of the vote is frankly scary. I can’t see them having the energy to hang around for 5 years for the next shot. Unless they get a surprisingly high number of seats I can’t see them gaining traction. Even if Farage wins in Clacton I just can’t see him doing the day job for years. He’ll either quit or get hounded out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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