General Election Pre-Thread (5 of 6)

[limpid]

2 hours ago, bickster said:

But what he'd had a milkshake and Sunak is lactose intolerant?

[Sid4ever]

45 minutes ago, limpid said:

But what he'd had a milkshake and Sunak is lactose intolerant?

It was probably during his fasting 48 hours 

[choffer]

 

[bickster]

 

[Rugeley Villa]

Really need to start clamping down on anyone in politics who abuses their power . Anyone found guilty should be thrown out of politics simple as that . What a shit show this election is..

[ml1dch]

2 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said:

 What a shit show this Tory party is..

FTFY

[bickster]

 

[bickster]

 

[ml1dch]

18 minutes ago, bickster said:

 

 

That's very handy. Not least because with those two dozen or so expected Tory seats by 2.30am the direction of travel will be very obvious. If they're not sitting on at least twenty by then... 

[The Fun Factory]

It is pleasing that the main issues are being discussed at the moment such as health, housing, social justice, our role with Europe,  and tackling climate change, instead of a discussion of who bet on a early election or not. Oh hang on.

Edited June 26 by The Fun Factory

[bickster]

24 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

 

That's very handy. Not least because with those two dozen or so expected Tory seats by 2.30am the direction of travel will be very obvious. If they're not sitting on at least twenty by then... 

The spreadsheet by Matt Singh may also be useful

 

[ml1dch]

1 minute ago, bickster said:

The spreadsheet by Matt Singh may also be useful

 

Nah, it's fine. You'll be here at 1am next Friday to tell me anything important that's going on and what it means!

[chrisp65]

15 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said:

It is pleasing that the main issues are being discussed at the moment such as health, housing, social justice, our role with Europe,  and tackling climate change, instead of a discussion of who bet on a early election or not. Oh hang on.

 

I’ve been very clear on this, there are improvements coming in health, spending will be increased to record levels, but its not just about spending we have to have a new way of doing things whilst protecting our NHS.

Housing is an obvious problem and we have already laid out plans to help first time buyers and increase the number of houses being built.

Social justice is very important and it’s never been more vital that everyone is given a fair chance and is treated with respect and dignity and nobody is undermined. We will be bringing forward several pieces of legislation to ensure this happens during the next parliament.

Europe is our closest neighbour and an important trading partner and what with illegal immigration being such an important issue and war in the East its never been more important we build a level of trust and co-operation with our European allies.

Of course climate is important, along with our renewable energy policy and action on our water we have a full raft of measures to help us face the future with confidence.

 

Now, all you’ve got to do, is attribute that to whichever party you fancy.

[The Fun Factory]

The NHS is a money pit no matter how much money you chuck into it. Plus with the massively ageing population that the UK will experience in the next 20-30 years fundamental reforms will be needed to fund all this plus social care.  We may have to move to more of a social insurance model but no party is brave enough to admit it. Same with climate change, the forecasts now that we will almost certainly go over 2c will result in massive changes that will affect the food chain, how we travel, how we work and how we live. Again very little discussion on this as road charging for example would be political suicide.  And housing, there is no way at all that private housing companies will be able to deliver the housing requirements the country need.

Either that would need more social or council housing which again will cost. That is what the IFS has basically said you can't sugar coat the prescription.

[desensitized43]

15 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said:

The NHS is a money pit no matter how much money you chuck into it. Plus with the massively ageing population that the UK will experience in the next 20-30 years fundamental reforms will be needed to fund all this plus social care.  We may have to move to more of a social insurance model but no party is brave enough to admit it. Same with climate change, the forecasts now that we will almost certainly go over 2c will result in massive changes that will affect the food chain, how we travel, how we work and how we live. Again very little discussion on this as road charging for example would be political suicide.  And housing, there is no way at all that private housing companies will be able to deliver the housing requirements the country need.

Either that would need more social or council housing which again will cost. That is what the IFS has basically said you can't sugar coat the prescription.

First you say that no amount of money will fix it, then you say that if we move to a social insurance model that would.

So basically what you're saying is that Social Insurance would either:

a. Lead to more money going in or

b. Less people using it because there'll be those that would opt not to purchase insurance

In addition to that, how do we transition to this wonderful social insurance model? What insurer is going to want to take on the millions with pre-existing conditions? The government would have to underwrite those people, so it's pointless anyway.

The NHS is broken because it's been hollowed out of staff and resources. It also hasn't expanded in the way it needed to do to accommodate a larger and more aging population - mainly because it hasn't been invested in at the level required.

Bottom line, it needs more money and a proper strategy to fix it, but it doesn't need to be put in the bin.

[bickster]

34 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

Nah, it's fine. You'll be here at 1am next Friday to tell me anything important that's going on and what it means!

Sobriety may be an issue  

[bickster]

 

[Jon]

42 minutes ago, bickster said:

 

I certainly won't be voting for the party that best represents my views.

It's Tory out for me, so it'll be Labour (macclesfield). Like many other constituencies, it's heavily predicted to go to Labour for the first time ever  

[Stevo985]

13 hours ago, bickster said:

 

Labour are "Almost equally as bad"

[Stevo985]

1 hour ago, desensitized43 said:

First you say that no amount of money will fix it, then you say that if we move to a social insurance model that would.

So basically what you're saying is that Social Insurance would either:

a. Lead to more money going in or

b. Less people using it because there'll be those that would opt not to purchase insurance

In addition to that, how do we transition to this wonderful social insurance model? What insurer is going to want to take on the millions with pre-existing conditions? The government would have to underwrite those people, so it's pointless anyway.

The NHS is broken because it's been hollowed out of staff and resources. It also hasn't expanded in the way it needed to do to accommodate a larger and more aging population - mainly because it hasn't been invested in at the level required.

Bottom line, it needs more money and a proper strategy to fix it, but it doesn't need to be put in the bin.

Last line is key.

Lots of people seem to think giving the NHS more money doesn't mean reforming it or restrategising it in any way. And vice versa

 

People seem to take the view that the NHS shouldn't get any extra money and just need to reform or reshuffle or whatever to fix it. I imagine that's basically impossible.

It needs both.It needs enough money to stop it drowning and give it the headroom it needs to enact any changes it needs. No organisation would be able to make changes on that scale with no money