Leeroy Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Just now, CarryOnVilla said: Have you seen Barrenechea play a game? Have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Just now, Leeroy said: Have you? Have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post useless Posted June 30 Popular Post Share Posted June 30 Iling is easliy worth £20m, no contest, has been linked to Spurs and Newcastle last two summers for around that much, was alson linked to Wolves as Neto replacement, we've been watching him for a while now and specifically asked for him to be included in Luiz sale, I've watched him for England U21s alongside the likes of Bynoe-Gittens, Madueke, Elliot, McAtee, Scott, and so on, and he looks comfortably in that class of player That he's played so little for Juventus means nothing, he's only twenty, to have made forty plus appearances for them at his age and to have been part of their first team since eighteen is a good sign not a bad one, they're still top four most seasons and winning trophies, Cle Palmer had played a similar amount of time for Manchester City before his move to Chelsea and he was older than Iling, they weren't yet ready to be regulars for the big clubs they played for but also too good to go out on loan as deemed good enough for first team squad In Barrenechea we have someone who is essentially Dendoncker's replacement but with potential to become more than that We would have signed Iling or a player like him anyway, and we also would have signed a player like Barrenchea too, we just happend to have got them as part of Luiz deal - as well as a stack of dough, which we will use to strengthen the squad further, it's not a question of whether Luiz for Iling Jr and Enzo plus money is a good deal, if that was the only business we did it wouldn't be for our starting eleven would be weaker, but it's not going to work like that we will spend Doug money and other money beside on strenthening the squad and first team, so what should be judged is whether we look stronger as an whole at the end of the transfer window 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Just now, Leeroy said: Have you? That’s not an answer, but yes, I have 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 I bet Monchi and Emery have NEVER seen him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 1 minute ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: I bet Monchi and Emery have NEVER seen him play. I have a feeling Monchi watches random games in his spare time. He’s probably seen Trez burning it up in Turkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 2 minutes ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: I bet Monchi and Emery have NEVER seen him play. The absolute idiocy of this argument sown up in ten words. Hard to believe sometimes that posters are arguing their points in good faith… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Emery and Monchi requested all his data and delayed the transfer for days whilst they analyzed it and made sure he was the right player for us. Morgan Rogers I think was signed in a similar way, albeit the orginal intention wasn't to sign him but to scout him ahead of MIddlesbrough clash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Just now, CarryOnVilla said: That’s not an answer, but yes, I have I've watched clips of him and he looks like he held his own in Serie A last season, albeit for a poor side, he's also good on the ball, I'd be perfectly happy if he's a Donk or Tim replacement but from what I've seen he's a downgrade on Kamara and I'd be worried if he was going to start every game for us in the first half of next season. Hope that is reasonable for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted June 30 VT Supporter Share Posted June 30 13 minutes ago, Leeroy said: Have you? 13 minutes ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: Have you? 13 minutes ago, CarryOnVilla said: That’s not an answer, but yes, I have 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Leeroy said: I've watched clips of him and he looks like he held his own in Serie A last season, albeit for a poor side, he's also good on the ball, I'd be perfectly happy if he's a Donk or Tim replacement but from what I've seen he's a downgrade on Kamara and I'd be worried if he was going to start every game for us in the first half of next season. Hope that is reasonable for you. He’s miles better than donks, and he plays rather similar to Kamara, yet more conservatively (probably due to team orders) with simple passes to get the transition going in a safer way. He also stays deeper and is rarely in any attacking play (team orders again) but he’s good on and off the ball. Reads games well and covers the pitch well without busting a gut to do so. He’s pretty calm to receive the ball under pressure and pass it in tight situations. He seems to favour a tackle on his feet, and quick pass.. my issues with Enzo, he’s a bit hesitant to close down players and miss times a tackle or block. Yet I take that as a first season of top flight football… a still a bit to learn. Could have issues, with prem pace, but like I said, he’s pretty cool under pressure. In time, I feel like he has the potential to be on par or a lil better than a current Boubs, but I also believe there’s a lot more to come from Boubs too i recon he’s going to be a rather good back up/rotation player… maybe more Edited June 30 by CarryOnVilla 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 1 hour ago, CarryOnVilla said: I have a feeling Monchi watches random games in his spare time. He’s probably seen Trez burning it up in Turkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 2 hours ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: I bet Monchi and Emery have NEVER seen him play. Who cares as long as they've checked his stats on Fbref 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 2 hours ago, Leeroy said: from what I've seen he's a downgrade on Kamara So is basically every midfielder tbf 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Villan_of_oz Posted July 1 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted July 1 Ah I came here to see this fella written off as not good enough for us, and I wasn't disappointed I have come up with this really stupid idea, so please don't give me grief over it, as it is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever had... My idea is...... I'm going to wait and see how he performs for us, after given time to adapt to our team and to have time for Unai to work with him. I know, I know, I am truly a dimwit of the highest order. I can only apologise 4 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 6 hours ago, useless said: Emery and Monchi requested all his data and delayed the transfer for days whilst they analyzed it and made sure he was the right player for us. Morgan Rogers I think was signed in a similar way, albeit the orginal intention wasn't to sign him but to scout him ahead of MIddlesbrough clash Fact that we did not negotiate for Rogers as part of the Finn Azaz transfer leads me to believe that he appeared on Villa's radar right around the time of the Middlesbrough clash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 (edited) 7 hours ago, Leeroy said: I've watched clips of him and he looks like he held his own in Serie A last season, albeit for a poor side, he's also good on the ball, I'd be perfectly happy if he's a Donk or Tim replacement but from what I've seen he's a downgrade on Kamara and I'd be worried if he was going to start every game for us in the first half of next season. Hope that is reasonable for you. So, a backup to Kamara is not as good as Kamara. Shocker! As you say, the kid held his own in Serie A, in a poor side. There are loads of examples where players have risen to top having started in a similar position. How about you let The Master coach him and reserve judgement until you've seen him play in our system, with our players. Edited July 1 by Tubby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 (edited) 8 hours ago, CarryOnVilla said: He’s miles better than donks, and he plays rather similar to Kamara, yet more conservatively (probably due to team orders) with simple passes to get the transition going in a safer way. He also stays deeper and is rarely in any attacking play (team orders again) but he’s good on and off the ball. Reads games well and covers the pitch well without busting a gut to do so. He’s pretty calm to receive the ball under pressure and pass it in tight situations. He seems to favour a tackle on his feet, and quick pass.. my issues with Enzo, he’s a bit hesitant to close down players and miss times a tackle or block. Yet I take that as a first season of top flight football… a still a bit to learn. Could have issues, with prem pace, but like I said, he’s pretty cool under pressure. In time, I feel like he has the potential to be on par or a lil better than a current Boubs, but I also believe there’s a lot more to come from Boubs too i recon he’s going to be a rather good back up/rotation player… maybe more Sorry for my late response, I've got to go into the office today, Monday of all days, so early start for me. Mostly sounds encouraging except for not closing players down and mistiming tackles, as that's a fairly essential part of being a holding midfielder. My main concerns for him are: he's only had one top flight season under his belt despite being 23, at a similar age Kamara had already had five seasons for Marseille and played in the Europa League and Champions League, he was far more seasoned. It is also obvious we went for Weston McKennie over him at first so he is not even our first choice and we favoured an overweight, very average midfielder over him. Another concern is that Juventus' midfield is not actually very good, they are spending lots of money to fix it, and yet this guy couldn't even displace the guys that were starting for them last season. I'm fine if he is coming in as rotation with a view to maybe developing him into a first team player in future. So we need to buy at least one CM, because otherwise either this guy or Barkley are starting the opening day at West Ham and that's not a position I want us to be in. Edited July 1 by Leeroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 6 hours ago, Adam2003 said: So is basically every midfielder tbf We are Aston Villa and we've just finished 4th and reached the semi finals of a European competition with an elite manager. We signed Kamara under Slippy after finishing 14th in the league. Yes, I'd hope we can find a midfielder similar in talent to him given the position we are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 hour ago, Tubby said: So, a backup to Kamara is not as good as Kamara. Shocker! As you say, the kid held his own in Serie A, in a poor side. There are loads of examples where players have risen to top having started in a similar position. How about you let The Master coach him and reserve judgement until you've seen him play in our system, with our players. We signed Kamara under Slippy after finishing 14th in the league on 45 points. Sure we could sign a similar level player again given we just finished 4th on 68 points and have Unai Emery as manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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