General Election Pre-Thread (4 of 6)

[sheepyvillian]

8 minutes ago, PaulC said:

Funny how the interpretation of left and right had changed. Left used to be about social justice nationalisation. Unions 

Let's be real though, Paul. How could anyone be flippant about the Iraq war?

A de facto war crime in my eyes. 

[bickster]

29 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said:

Let's be real though, Paul. How could anyone be flippant about the Iraq war?

A de facto war crime in my eyes. 

There a people old enough to vote that weren’t even alive. In other words an entire generation of people who have no personal reference to the subject matter you are referencing.

Not only that but this is a topic is about the current general election, the Iraq War isn’t relevant. If you want to talk about Labour and the Iraq War can I suggest starting a new topic, it’s not particularly relevant to this topic that’s for sure

[sheepyvillian]

10 minutes ago, bickster said:

There a people old enough to vote that weren’t even alive. In other words an entire generation of people who have no personal reference to the subject matter you are referencing.

Not only that but this is a topic is about the current general election, the Iraq War isn’t relevant. If you want to talk about Labour and the Iraq War can I suggest starting a new topic, it’s not particularly relevant to this topic that’s for sure

I'll get my coat. 

[PaulC]

1 hour ago, sheepyvillian said:

Let's be real though, Paul. How could anyone be flippant about the Iraq war?

A de facto war crime in my eyes. 

Yes don't get me wrong Blair wasn't a  socialist, anything but. As far as I'm concerned he wasn't much better than Thatcher.. 

[sheepyvillian]

4 minutes ago, PaulC said:

Yes don't get me wrong Blair wasn't a  socialist, anything but. As far as I'm concerned he wasn't much better than Thatcher.. 

I've been warned off this subject in this thread. Just marking your card.

[mjmooney]

17 minutes ago, PaulC said:

Yes don't get me wrong Blair wasn't a  socialist, anything but. As far as I'm concerned he wasn't much better than Thatcher.. 

First sentence: fair point. 

Second sentence: absolute nonsense. 

[bickster]

I love me a bit of blue on slightly different blue action

 

[meregreen]

12 minutes ago, PaulC said:

Yes don't get me wrong Blair wasn't a  socialist, anything but. As far as I'm concerned he wasn't much better than Thatcher.. 

You are joking right. Mate I saw first hand the damage to the moral fabric of this country that bitch inflicted. I worked in Industry, she regarded us as something she had just trodden in. The venom she had against mining communities was sadistic. Blair wasn’t perfect, but to compare him to that Eva Braun tribute act is simply so wide of the mark. Still, as Bicks has said, it’s nothing to do with this topic, so that’s the last I’ll comment. 

[PaulC]

5 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

First sentence: fair point. 

Second sentence: absolute nonsense. 

Okay I accept the second was nonsense. There's a few things he did which are comparable but okay let's stay on topic.

[bickster]

The left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing…

 The national party send out letters saying a vote for Reform is a vote for Starmer

The local candidate, who knows where the threat is in the constituency tells people a vote for the LibDems is a vote for Starmer. But the local candidate lays it on so thick he’s as good as telling everyone who wants the Tories gone to vote LibDem in that seat by telling them that Labour is going to win the election he’s also sending a really shit message to his own voters that kind of breeds more stay at home Tories

Why would the national party send out a letter to a 52% remain, very middle class seat warning of the dangers of voting Reform… it’s like they don’t actually know anything. The seat screams LibDem target even to the mildly interested.

Say bye bye to the 17k majority in Cotswolds South. LibDems are going to win this

 

[bickster]

Also, this will be interesting tomorrow 

I’m expecting some of the recommendations to be nonsense if I'm perfectly honest because it was based on that Survation MRP poll published yesterday

[bickster]

 

[delboy54]

22 hours ago, bickster said:

Encouraging if true. Also points to a potentially higher turnout than some people are expecting

Also Reforms showing in the polls would indicate a high ish turnout as a good chunk of them would have been stay at home politicians are all the same idiots

But all politicians are idiots, just that some are more idiotic than others...

[bickster]

Best for Britain Tactical Voting guide is out

Quote

HOW DO I VOTE TACTICALLY?
2 in 3 people can’t name the party likely to come in second in their area – which means they could make it worse if they try to vote tactically.

The only way to get it right is to look at which parties are trying to win the seat, local factors, and current polling to see how people are thinking of voting in your area. That way you can choose the party most likely to win. GetVoting gives you this thanks to Best for Britain’s MRP polling.

Follow the link for their recommendation as to which is the tactical vote in your seat.

I've not really gone through it yet to see how accurate I think it is

[bobzy]

My constituency (Rushcliffe) has been Tory since 1970 though, whilst Tory support overall increased in 2019, the Tory vote dropped here - as did Labour, decent shift to Lib Dem.

We've received 3 leaflets from Labour - heavy usage of Union Jack as I've mentioned previously.  A few signs starting to show in houses - all Labour (although I'm in the hippy, Green-voting in local elections area of the constituency rather than the obscene-wealth part, so this isn't particularly surprising) but there is literally nothing showing from the Tories.  No leaflets, no door-to-door, no signs of support.

 

I'd have thought they'd be fighting here, having been a Tory seat for so long.  Are they resigned to losing it or flippant in getting enough votes?  I can't tell which it is, but it doesn't make sense to me.

[bickster]

6 minutes ago, bobzy said:

My constituency (Rushcliffe)

Both Electoral Calculus and Best for Britain have that down as a Labour Win

The BfB MRP says

Conservative
30.56%
Labour
47.63%

Everyone else is below 10% and the fieldwork was done last week. They also reckon 42% of the constituency plan to vote tactically

[The Fun Factory]

18 minutes ago, bobzy said:

My constituency (Rushcliffe) has been Tory since 1970 though, whilst Tory support overall increased in 2019, the Tory vote dropped here - as did Labour, decent shift to Lib Dem.

We've received 3 leaflets from Labour - heavy usage of Union Jack as I've mentioned previously.  A few signs starting to show in houses - all Labour (although I'm in the hippy, Green-voting in local elections area of the constituency rather than the obscene-wealth part, so this isn't particularly surprising) but there is literally nothing showing from the Tories.  No leaflets, no door-to-door, no signs of support.

 

I'd have thought they'd be fighting here, having been a Tory seat for so long.  Are they resigned to losing it or flippant in getting enough votes?  I can't tell which it is, but it doesn't make sense to me.

Ken Clarke's old seat?

I think it says something about the tory campaign in that Jeremy H*nt has completely gone to ground and is desperately campaigning to hold onto his normally rock solid seat.

[bickster]

12 minutes ago, bobzy said:

there is literally nothing showing from the Tories.  No leaflets, no door-to-door, no signs of support.

 

I'd have thought they'd be fighting here, having been a Tory seat for so long.  Are they resigned to losing it or flippant in getting enough votes?  I can't tell which it is, but it doesn't make sense to me.

This would be a seat they'd fight over normally. 8K majority, they'd need to secure the vote. This seat actually highlights the problem with their 80/20 strategy. Highly likely this isn't in the 80

[bickster]

1 minute ago, The Fun Factory said:

I think it says something about the tory campaign in that Jeremy H*nt has completely gone to ground and is desperately campaigning to hold onto his normally rock solid seat.

And paying out of his own pocket to do so by all accounts

[bobzy]

3 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said:

Ken Clarke's old seat?

The very same, yes.