Adam2003 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, viivvaa66 said: It’s unlikely that he will be a regular for us, we have better already in the squad. The only think that can save this transfer is if we can sell him next summer for a large profit. He’s just turned 20. He’s significantly younger than the likes of Kaine Kesler. We have no idea what his ceiling is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 28 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: He’s just turned 20. He’s significantly younger than the likes of Kaine Kesler. We have no idea what his ceiling is. A Loan to the right club abroad where he will play regular minutes is exactly what he needs. Comes back 21yo and hopefully a fruitful season under his belt. Look at what quality players Chelsea have who went on Loan in Europe. Maatsen a recent example 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 We specifically asked for him to be part of the Luiz deal, the original offer was money plus McKennie, but we asked for Iling because we had already been tracking him for a long time. The club obviously rate him, and won't have changed their minds based on a few meaninglss pre-season games, if he goes out on loan it wll be for his development, doesn't mean he's not wanted, just like if one of our academy products goes out on loan, that doesn't mean that they're not wanted, it's to benefit them and us. I think what has happened is that when we signed him we needed another winger for the squad, having him as part of the Luiz deal was a good opportunity as the club have been tracking him and obviously rate him, this was before we signed Philogene, and at that point we probably didn't know that we would be bringing Philogene back, as Hull chairman had been publicly saying he wouldn't be sold for less than £30m, but then when Hull accepted a much lower bid, it would have been crazy for us not to use our matching rights clause to bring him back, especially considering we essentially had a sell on fee, meaning Hull had to give us some of the transfer fee back Ideally we could probably still do with him as part of the squad for this season, that the club is willing to sacrifice that for his development, I think shows how much they rate him as a future player 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Assumptions presented as fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) Southampton would be a good fit with their style. Not sure how many left sided players they have but they're currently playing 3-5-2 so would fit what Juve were doing last few seasons. We have relations with them from selling Cam so wouldn't surprise me if we offered them him in the next week. He's played games for Juve so not sure the championship is the right league at this stage, that's a more logical step for Bogarde currently. He'll come more into contention in 12 months as Digne will leave and who knows Ramsey might be next summer's Luiz. Edited August 22 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 minute ago, VillaChris said: Southampton would be a good fit with their style. Not sure how many left sided players they have but they're currently playing 3-5-2 so would fit what Juve were doing last few seasons. We have relations with them from selling Cam so wouldn't surprise me if we offered them him in the next week. He's played games for Juve so not sure the championship is the right league at this stage, that's a more logical step for Bogarde currently. he cant be loaned to a PL team, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Just now, MaVilla said: he cant be loaned to a PL team, apparently. Oh...that's frustrating. See what the interest is from abroad then. They'll be plenty of interest in a former Juventus squad player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceemo Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Linked with joining Bologna on loan. They will also be in the Champions League for the first time this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Dunno what a dry loan is but.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alakagom Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Just now, WallisFrizz said: Dunno what a dry loan is but.. No fees, no optional buy clause. Straight loan. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 4 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: Dunno what a dry loan is but.. WOW if true that would be a great loan for him. Champions League Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Bologna would be a good loan for European experience and just far more game time than he'll likely get here. A few bright performances in the CL could put him in the shop window/raise his value should we look to move him on in a few years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 9 minutes ago, Wezbid said: Bologna would be a good loan for European experience and just far more game time than he'll likely get here. A few bright performances in the CL could put him in the shop window/raise his value should we look to move him on in a few years. Or better still help him develop into a top player for us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Juan Miranda or Lykogiannis will likely start at LB for them. Jesper Karlsson kinda flopped, partly due to injuries and Motta didn't play him but no idea how the new manager feels. Ndoye started at LW last game. Doubt Illing-jr will be more than a rotation player if he goes there but they have a lot of games so that's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Im confused as to why we signed him to just send him back on loan to the league in which we signed him from… and signing him was to help push the Dougie deal through? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieGriffin Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 31 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: Dunno what a dry loan is but.. Should never go in on a dry one... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieGriffin Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 1 minute ago, Tayls said: Im confused as to why we signed him to just send him back on loan to the league in which we signed him from… and signing him was to help push the Dougie deal through? Possibly Sausage Related 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_10 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 (edited) 19 minutes ago, sne said: Juan Miranda or Lykogiannis will likely start at LB for them. Jesper Karlsson kinda flopped, partly due to injuries and Motta didn't play him but no idea how the new manager feels. Ndoye started at LW last game. Doubt Illing-jr will be more than a rotation player if he goes there but they have a lot of games so that's fine. Iling-Junior is naturally a LM. He only moved to LB for Juventus after he had a decent game for England U20 at LB & he scored 2 against Luxembourg. His heat map for last season however has him more at LM/LW than LB, so I assume that he will be going to Bologna primarily as a LM, but with cover for LB if needed. Similar to how I see his future for Villa. Here is a link to his statistics & heat map for last season at Juventus, with drop down menus for the separate tournaments & previous season. Edited August 23 by Andy_10 Missed a point. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 35 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: Dunno what a dry loan is but.. its a loan that doesnt fully excite you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 2 minutes ago, Andy_10 said: Iling-Junior is naturally a LM. He only moved to LB for Juventus after he had a decent game for England U20 at LB & he scored 2 against Luxembourg. His heat map for last season however has him more at LM/LW than LB, so I assume that he will be going to Bologna primarily as a LM, but with cover for LB if needed. Similar to how I see his future for Villa. Here is a link to his statistics & heat map for last season at Juventus, with drop down menus for the separate tournaments & previous season. Yeah I know, not sure why people seem convinced he will become a LB rather than LM/LW going forward. Seem likely he will be used further up the pitch at Bologna if he goes there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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