sheepyvillian Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 12 minutes ago, ozvillafan said: I remember one of his long balls forward that sailed into the opposition box and the keepers arms. The cameras focused on Ollie who is facing Pickford, gesticulating wildly and with both hands pointing to himself and saying "Aim for me! Aim for me!!" Summed it up, really. Maybe Ollie should have said, "Aim for the stands." He may have had more luck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) 2 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: You expect good saves at that level. However, his distribution wouldn't have looked out of a place in a park. He just doesn't inspire confidence, and, for me, that is a prerequisite at international level. Everything about him is erratic. He comes across as a really annoying character. If someone told me he wears sidepocket flares and platform shoes, I wouldn't be surprised. He's been in four tournaments now and barely made a mistake. That's an upgrade on what was in the 90s and 2000s. Seaman was obviously a better premier league keeper but he had a nasty habit of misjudgements in tournaments, not just the Ronaldinho free kick but also needlessly rushing out and fouling Batistuta in 1998. Rob Green.... As ever the alternatives are o.k but not that much better, Ramsdale just spent a season warming the bench, Pope not rated as his distribution even worse and then you have Henderson and Sam Johnstone. Trafford won't come into contention for another year given he was out of his depth at prem level. Edited July 15 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 4 hours ago, VillaChris said: He's been in four tournaments now and barely made a mistake. That's an upgrade on what was in the 90s and 2000s. Seaman was obviously a better premier league keeper but he had a nasty habit of misjudgements in tournaments, not just the Ronaldinho free kick but also needlessly rushing out and fouling Batistuta in 1998. Rob Green.... As ever the alternatives are o.k but not that much better, Ramsdale just spent a season warming the bench, Pope not rated as his distribution even worse and then you have Henderson and Sam Johnstone. Trafford won't come into contention for another year given he was out of his depth at prem level. "Barely made a mistake," did you see how many times he kicked it aimlessly? And he's the best we have in this Country. Let's hope the next manager sees things differently. As I said, it's not for no reason, he still resides at Goodison Park. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 I'm glad to see the Guardian article that picked up on the Walker throw - in that cost us the momentum we had up until that diabolical decision by Walker. Incidentally, he's another who I hope calls it a day on the international scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Walker won’t quit, he’s another with a massive ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Story’s now leaking that nobody really liked Jude Bellingham in the England camp and the Adidas advert which portrayed him as England’s saviour / star pissed them all off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 not enough is being said about walker's hesitation in tackling cucurella i don think he'll be dropped entirely from the squad but we do have to move on, especially seeing as we have TAA and a fair few RBs that said i saw one of the papers give him an 8 for his performance in the final and said he was perfect in the first half 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 12 minutes ago, villa4europe said: not enough is being said about walker's hesitation in tackling cucurella i don think he'll be dropped entirely from the squad but we do have to move on, especially seeing as we have TAA and a fair few RBs that said i saw one of the papers give him an 8 for his performance in the final and said he was perfect in the first half Walker is vice captain so if it’s anything like the status Kane has he will decide when and where he plays (regardless of form or fitness). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 30 minutes ago, Genie said: Story’s now leaking that nobody really liked Jude Bellingham in the England camp and the Adidas advert which portrayed him as England’s saviour / star pissed them all off. I can see it tbh. Strikes me as one of those really calm level headed guys...until something goes against him and he can be quite vindictive and confrontational. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 16 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16 11 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: On his performances in this tournament, I am struggling to understand the hype surrounding Declan Rice. At times, last night, he looked out of his depth. Like a lot of England players, he can't really be judged overall on his England performances. He's an absolutely brilliant midfielder for Arsenal. He's not for England. See also Kane, Foden, Bellingham etc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Like a lot of England players, he can't really be judged overall on his England performances. He's an absolutely brilliant midfielder for Arsenal. He's not for England. See also Kane, Foden, Bellingham etc he's better at arsenal, he's a great player tbf but the whole hype around him being world class is off the mark, he's not that good said for a long time now he's not good enough to be getting the 80+ touches per game that his position in modern football now demands, saw one England game where he had 103 touches and then we wonder why we look a bit static and slow, he's simply not that player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 16 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16 England want Rice to basically be Kante for them, but that's not who he is and not how he plays for Arsenal at all. As a result, he's ineffective and by the end of the tournament was clearly knackered, hence numerous moments where he just started punting the ball away rather than trying to be clever with possession, which only hurt us further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 5 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: "Barely made a mistake," did you see how many times he kicked it aimlessly? And he's the best we have in this Country. Let's hope the next manager sees things differently. As I said, it's not for no reason, he still resides at Goodison Park. Tbf I'd probably give Pope a run now as he's the only one who's played CL in the group of current keepers. However he had a really poor game against Germany just before the last World cup so has the feel of a solid prem keeper who would suddenly become a bag of nerves in major tournament, we've seen a few of those before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 3 hours ago, Genie said: Walker won’t quit, he’s another with a massive ego. He was close to retiring after the last World Cup so I do think him and Trippier could well step away. Would finally give TAA a proper chance in his proper position. Then if Reece James can stay fit for five minutes he's an able deputy. Konsa should be a fixture in the squads now so he's a more defensive option. In the minority but I'd get Ben White back in the squad given it will be a new backroom team in a few months so perhaps his issues will be sorted then if Steve Holland isn't there to take the mick out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Like a lot of England players, he can't really be judged overall on his England performances. He's an absolutely brilliant midfielder for Arsenal. He's not for England. See also Kane, Foden, Bellingham etc I would take Kamara' over Rice every single day of the week. When it comes to that all important trait, "Composure", Rice, on Sunday, was found seriously wanting. I don't expect a midfielder, valued as much as he is, to panic when under pressure. At times, he was like a frightened rabbit caught in the headlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 16 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16 12 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: I would take Kamara' over Rice every single day of the week. When it comes to that all important trait, "Composure", Rice, on Sunday, was found seriously wanting. I don't expect a midfielder, valued as much as he is, to panic when under pressure. At times, he was like a frightened rabbit caught in the headlights. You could say the same about Foden. yet he's borderline world class for City Rice isnt' like that when he plays for Arsenal. A bit like when Kamara and others looked shit under Gerrard. Then lo and behold when we got a proper manager he looked great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: You could say the same about Foden. yet he's borderline world class for City Rice isnt' like that when he plays for Arsenal. A bit like when Kamara and others looked shit under Gerrard. Then lo and behold when we got a proper manager he looked great You can't solely blame the manager for a player panicking when the ball comes to him. I expect a 100 million pound midfielder to demand the ball, regardless of the pressure. That's a lack of self - belief in your own ability. It's easy to look great when you're the dominant side with all the possession, as is the case most times when he's playing for Arsenal. It's when you have to earn your territory, that's where the really good players make their mark, Rodri being a classic example. Sometimes you have to make things happen. Bellingham may have disappointed, but he's never afraid to try and make things happen, even if they don't come off. There are moments when he oozes class. The fact is, you will never see Declan Rice in a Real Madrid shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Rice looked out of his depth in Champions League and Porto and Bayern made him look average and neither team were great. He was even at fault for Bayern goal that knocked them out Good Premier League player but not technically good enough for the top level. If Rice was Spanish he would be an uncapped mid table player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 47 minutes ago, Zatman said: Rice looked out of his depth in Champions League and Porto and Bayern made him look average and neither team were great. He was even at fault for Bayern goal that knocked them out Good Premier League player but not technically good enough for the top level. If Rice was Spanish he would be an uncapped mid table player Or playing for Ireland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 16 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16 58 minutes ago, Zatman said: If Rice was Spanish he would be an uncapped mid table player Not like you to come out with some nonsense negative hyperbole about an English player... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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