Cizzler Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 8 minutes ago, Tom13 said: Yeah that's an overexaggeration of his limitations but when was the last time he put in a quality performance for England? When was the last time anyone did? It’s easy to say he “can only play in Pep’s system” when he’s only ever played for Pep. I bet every club manager would love to have him. He’s a phenomenal talent. Southgate being unable to get that out of him doesn’t limit that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 20 minutes ago, Tom13 said: When was his last stand out performance for England? Could say the same for a lot of players, it comes from the manager 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Dodgyknees said: Could say the same for a lot of players, it comes from the manager Saka and Bellingham have done a lot more than Foden for England IMO. I agree however that Southgate gets the best out of no-one. Hence why Grealish just had to go, he can turn it on on his own. Edited June 8 by Tom13 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 1 hour ago, Tom13 said: When was his last stand out performance for England? When did England last play well? Probably then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 So hoping Southgate is still in with a shout for the Utd job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 30 minutes ago, villaglint said: So hoping Southgate is still in with a shout for the Utd job. It would genuinely be hilarious him managing them. And it does feel there's a chance it could happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted June 8 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8 Super result for Serbia, 3-0 winners away to Sweden. Denmark won as well, gonna be hard to get points of these games with no one creating chances, just opportunities to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 (edited) 8 hours ago, Tom13 said: When was his last stand out performance for England? 8 hours ago, Tom13 said: Yeah that's an overexaggeration of his limitations but when was the last time he put in a quality performance for England? As already responded to, when was anyone's last stand our performance under Southgate? I'm not sure I can recall a single one. Kane still scores but even he hasn't exactly played well for Southgate, and what he's allowed to do is a detriment to the rest of the squad. Saka and Bellingham have had moments where they've reflected their club form, but generally also look largely lost for most of the game. These players are all very very good footballers. They have a clown telling them what to do though. Edited June 8 by MrBlack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 26 minutes ago, MrBlack said: As already responded to, when was anyone's last stand our performance under Southgate? I'm not sure I can recall a single one. Kane still scores but even he hasn't exactly played well for Southgate, and what he's allowed to do is a detriment to the rest of the squad. Saka and Bellingham have had moments where they've reflected their club form, but generally also look largely lost for most of the game. These players are all very very good footballers. They have a clown telling them what to do though. Fair point, Foden just seems to do even less than most (for England) IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 1 minute ago, Tom13 said: Fair point, Foden just seems to do even less than most (for England) IMO. You may be right. If I'm looking at the other side of the coin, he does seem to do exceedingly little for England. But I guess I'm erring on the side of the evidence that points to Southgate being the cause, rather than Foden. Maybe Foden needs more instruction than Saka/Bellingham who rely a bit more on instinctive flair, and Grealish who clearly has a phenomenal instinct and almost polar opposite aversion to being told what to do. Clearly though, not having a working plan as a manager isn't going to win you anything, regardless of how good the players are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 30 minutes ago, MrBlack said: You may be right. If I'm looking at the other side of the coin, he does seem to do exceedingly little for England. But I guess I'm erring on the side of the evidence that points to Southgate being the cause, rather than Foden. Maybe Foden needs more instruction than Saka/Bellingham who rely a bit more on instinctive flair, and Grealish who clearly has a phenomenal instinct and almost polar opposite aversion to being told what to do. Clearly though, not having a working plan as a manager isn't going to win you anything, regardless of how good the players are. Oh no, and I doubt there are many more than me that cannot wait to see the back of Southgate. Eight years he's been in charge ffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HanoiVillan Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 3 minutes ago, Wurzel said: That gag will be eligible for a free bus pass soon. I definitely remember hearing it before France '98, and I doubt it was new then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 59 minutes ago, Wurzel said: Drinks Becks and has lost any credibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 (edited) This is a big tournament for Foden. He's no longer the kid with promise. He's 24 and shouid be coming into his peak years. If Saka is fit Southgate won't drop him so if he doesn't perform In the group stages I can see him being left out Edited June 10 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Quote Up to 500 Serbian hooligans expected to target England’s first Euro 2024 game Exclusive: German police hope to intercept group before they can clash with England fans in Gelsenkirchen Up to 500 Serbian hooligans expected to target England’s first Euro 2024 game | Euro 2024 | The Guardian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 England fans don't really do the aggro anymore, do they? Which is a good thing of course, but maybe they should pack some knuckledusters with them just in case.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, PaulC said: This is a big tournament for Foden. He's no longer the kid with promise. He's 24 and shouid be coming into his peak years. If Saka is fit Southgate won't drop him so if he doesn't perform In the group stages I can see him being left out City should be preparing a bumper deal for Foden...that is if they don't get relegated, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 It’s going to be weird if England do win it. Southgate will have earned a lot of praise, probably gets a bumper deal and I don’t think anyone is prepared for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 lad in the office was asking about maybe travelling to England's training camp for the day to see what it was all about, its in Weimar at a huge golf resort, the opposite side of the country and a 3 drive away from where the games actually are not one of the many top class bundesliga training camps in the west of germany, a golf and spa resort in the east they're back to making me irrationally angry over everything 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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