Mic09 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 51 minutes ago, BOF said: Tonight's line-up will tell us a lot. It will and it won't. It's actually an important game - 1st or 2nd (or 3rd!) place finish determines who England play next. So if Southgate believes his starting 11 is the strongest 11, then he will play it and not make changes. If he wants to change it, he is sort of saying "I don't know what I'm doing". The thing is, it doesn't make too much of a difference who he plays. TAA is a capable player, he should be enough for Slovenia. Sure, he was crap, but sticking Gallagher there won't transform England into an attacking powerhouse. The problem is not selection, it's the tactics and approach to games. What I want to see is the entire team playing 15 yards higher up and making some good passes. And pressing off the ball. But that's not a fix that's possible within a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 If England come 2nd its Saturday night game vs Germany Police will be dreading that as well Win the group and Sunday vs probably Austria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 25 Moderator Share Posted June 25 18 minutes ago, Mic09 said: It will and it won't. It's actually an important game - 1st or 2nd (or 3rd!) place finish determines who England play next. So if Southgate believes his starting 11 is the strongest 11, then he will play it and not make changes. If he wants to change it, he is sort of saying "I don't know what I'm doing". The thing is, it doesn't make too much of a difference who he plays. TAA is a capable player, he should be enough for Slovenia. Sure, he was crap, but sticking Gallagher there won't transform England into an attacking powerhouse. The problem is not selection, it's the tactics and approach to games. What I want to see is the entire team playing 15 yards higher up and making some good passes. And pressing off the ball. But that's not a fix that's possible within a few days. In my opinion playing his 1st choice 11 for the 3rd time in a row is loser mentality (which fits with Southgate in fairness) and tells me he has no real expectation of winning the tournament. And at best it gets him to the semis and a glorious loss to France (whereupon I hope they extend his contract). Play some of the squad. It doesn't have to be a complete second string. You brought them for a reason. They are bloody good players. The likes of Palmer and Mainoo (only examples) could easily throw the opposition for a loop and change the dynamic. IMO the reason he goes with his strongest line-up again is because his vanity is afraid of how it reflects upon him if the second team looks better than what he has decided his first team are. But that should be exactly one of the reasons why you use them. You give them the chance to shine. You are already through. Yes your opponent hasn't been decided, but you really think they're not good enough to win anyway? I think they are. And so what if you come second? You then beat that opponent. And most importantly you are giving your first 11 a rest ffs. It's tournament football. It's what the big sides do. If he plays his first 11 he's a loser with small team mentality. That's why for me it says a lot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 7 hours ago, Wainy316 said: Why do England lineups get revealed/leaked so early? The first thing Sir Gareth did was get the media onside. I've no doubt it's him leaking things to the media to stop them lynching him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 38 minutes ago, villa89 said: The first thing Sir Gareth did was get the media onside. I've no doubt it's him leaking things to the media to stop them lynching him. I don't think it's this. I do think from the start of his tenure, they were told to back off, unlike previous managers, where basically a loss or even a poor performance would get them ripped to shreads, I.e, wally with the brolly, turnip etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 hour ago, Zatman said: If England come 2nd its Saturday night game vs Germany Police will be dreading that as well Win the group and Sunday vs probably Austria Germany will beat us thats for sure. But as it stands its looking like holland of we top group. Another team i can see us losing too the way southgate has us playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 One change to the England line up… suprise suprise, Conor Gallagher comes in for Trent. Didn’t see that coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CarryOnVilla said: One change to the England line up… suprise suprise, Conor Gallagher comes in for Trent. Didn’t see that coming Wow im stunned This guys a **** idiot Edited June 25 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheVilla26 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 So let me get this straight. I heard Southgate, say in midweek, there will be 'changes' and also he thinks players are suffering with fitness or whatever. On the back of this, he makes 1 change. 1 change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 It's a waste of time. Play some of the guys who haven't stunk the place out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Wow im stunned This guys a **** idiot @CarryOnVilla is trying his best, be nice 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 hour ago, foreveryoung said: I don't think it's this. I do think from the start of his tenure, they were told to back off, unlike previous managers, where basically a loss or even a poor performance would get them ripped to shreads, I.e, wally with the brolly, turnip etc. I do wonder how many of them, like the fans, have been holding back since 2018 To a certain extent the media do still (lazily) play to their crowd and until now the tide hasn't turned I dont think he's once at any point sorted the midfield, the defence being shite has been easy to point out and largely down to players available, the midfield has been **** terrible too but that's been his own doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa87 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 He really is the **** pits isn’t he? Eight years have sucked any interest in the national team. I’ll watch tonight, but if they put in the same performance I hope there is a media onslaught. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Everyone ready for more of the same? He's stubborn and incompetent. Media will really go after him if we look poor again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 You cunning bastard Gareth!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, Davkaus said: @CarryOnVilla is trying his best, be nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 minute ago, Jonesy7211 said: Everyone ready for more of the same? He's stubborn and incompetent. Media will really go after him if we look poor again. Shearer had a bit of a moan about him in the Denmark game. Micah just said he needs to start getting the best out of Foden, usual amateur comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Real curve ball thrown here, bringing in Gallagher for Trent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 25 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25 Gallagher yellow card, easy money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 If Shaw isn't fit enough to play a minute now for match practice we can go home now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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