nick76 Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Philosopher said: That's a bit pricey! Yeah I thought so too but I guess that’s the market these days with the likes of Gordon and Palmer going for similar figures. It makes a deal for Conor look a lot more reasonable given his PL experience and England call ups. Edited June 1 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 Just now, nick76 said: Yeah I thought so too but I guess that’s the market these days with the likes of Gordon and Palmer going for similar figures. Gordon? Maatsen is a left back that hasn't proved himself in the Premier league. And prior to the loan when the clause was agreed hadn't proved himself in Germany. He could well be worth it, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 3 minutes ago, Philosopher said: Is he in the Dutch squad for the Euros? Was in the 30 but one of four cut in the final 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 Just now, nick76 said: Was in the 30 but one of four cut in the final 26. Surprised they cut him. Who beat him to the left back spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 Just now, Philosopher said: Gordon? Maatsen is a left back that hasn't proved himself in the Premier league. And prior to the loan when the clause was agreed hadn't proved himself in Germany. He could well be worth it, though. I didn’t create the value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Philosopher said: Surprised they cut him. Who beat him to the left back spot? Defenders: Ake, Blind, Van Dijk, Dumfries, Frimpong, Geertruida, De Ligt, Van de Ven, De Vrij Anyway back on topic, if they are releasing Conor for £50m, it’s a big whack to our budget but if Maatsen doesn’t go to Dortmund I can’t see us paying £35m or close to it. Edited June 1 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 11 minutes ago, Philosopher said: Gordon? Maatsen is a left back that hasn't proved himself in the Premier league. And prior to the loan when the clause was agreed hadn't proved himself in Germany. He could well be worth it, though. the 35 million is his buyout clause in general not just Dortmund Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Leeroy said: Chilwell plays for Chelsea - not in England squad. James plays for Chelsea - not in England squad. Is this bit a joke? They’d both be in and starting this summer if they were fit. Anyway - that’s an aside as I wasn’t the one who said he’s only in the squad because he plays for Chelsea - in fact I totally disagree with that, he’s in because there are basically no other credible options. In central midfield he’s hoping to get in ahead of maybe Lewis Cook and Adam Wharton (and Jordan Henderson and Kalvin Phillips who have been binned off) - so I think if he was that good he’d definitely have established himself more. He’s currently probably behind Kobbie Mainoo in the pecking order whose whole career has been six OK months. England are still a good team but the CM options are pretty pathetic at the moment unfortunately - that and left back is what will cost us this summer (well, and Southgate). None of this relevant really as to whether he would be a good signing or not, but I don’t think we should delude ourselves about his level or the level needed to play CM for England right now! They were comfortably outclassed by our own Youri Tielemans in the last break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 20 hours ago, TheMelvillan said: Codder Gallagher Codder Gallingher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: Is this bit a joke? They’d both be in and starting this summer if they were fit. Anyway - that’s an aside as I wasn’t the one who said he’s only in the squad because he plays for Chelsea - in fact I totally disagree with that, he’s in because there are basically no other credible options. In central midfield he’s hoping to get in ahead of maybe Lewis Cook and Adam Wharton (and Jordan Henderson and Kalvin Phillips who have been binned off) - so I think if he was that good he’d definitely have established himself more. He’s currently probably behind Kobbie Mainoo in the pecking order whose whole career has been six OK months. England are still a good team but the CM options are pretty pathetic at the moment unfortunately - that and left back is what will cost us this summer (well, and Southgate). None of this relevant really as to whether he would be a good signing or not, but I don’t think we should delude ourselves about his level or the level needed to play CM for England right now! They were comfortably outclassed by our own Youri Tielemans in the last break. Chilwell was fit for the tournament, he just decided not to take him. James had missed most of the season but was in theory fit and available for selection. Not too dissimilar to Guehi who missed pretty much all of the second half of the season and still was selected and he plays for mid table Crystal Palace. And your final sentence is explained because Tielemans is a class player and Belgium are still one of the best teams in Europe, even if they aren’t as good as a few years ago. They flopped at the World Cup but so did Germany. My point was more around Villa expecting to sign players that start for England, regardless of the strength or weakness of the position that player plays. We haven’t had a guaranteed starter for England since the playing days of Southgate himself, maybe Gareth Barry at a push, but he’d joined City by the time of 2010 World Cup when he was a regular at a major tournament. Back to the point, I’d be happy to sign Gallagher but I think there are more urgent positions we should strengthen first so I’m not fussed either way really. I just don’t want him as a direct replacement if we sell Luiz because that would be a dumb move. Edited June 1 by Leeroy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 1 hour ago, nick76 said: Defenders: Ake, Blind, Van Dijk, Dumfries, Frimpong, Geertruida, De Ligt, Van de Ven, De Vrij Anyway back on topic, if they are releasing Conor for £50m, it’s a big whack to our budget but if Maatsen doesn’t go to Dortmund I can’t see us paying £35m or close to it. There isn't one specialist left back, but two right wing backs and one right back. Is Southgate the Dutch manager too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Adam2003 said: Is this bit a joke? They’d both be in and starting this summer if they were fit. Anyway - that’s an aside as I wasn’t the one who said he’s only in the squad because he plays for Chelsea - in fact I totally disagree with that, he’s in because there are basically no other credible options. In central midfield he’s hoping to get in ahead of maybe Lewis Cook and Adam Wharton (and Jordan Henderson and Kalvin Phillips who have been binned off) - so I think if he was that good he’d definitely have established himself more. He’s currently probably behind Kobbie Mainoo in the pecking order whose whole career has been six OK months. England are still a good team but the CM options are pretty pathetic at the moment unfortunately - that and left back is what will cost us this summer (well, and Southgate). None of this relevant really as to whether he would be a good signing or not, but I don’t think we should delude ourselves about his level or the level needed to play CM for England right now! They were comfortably outclassed by our own Youri Tielemans in the last break. Let's not forget Rice and Bellingham are midfielders and both world class. The problem is the manager, not the players. Southgate has never liked Chilwell. Took ages the call him up and then preferred to play a right back at left back. Really and truly Bellingham should be lining up with alongside Rice in a double pivot, with Bellingham license to roam. Then play Palmer, Saka, and Foden in the 3 behind Kane. Maguire should be binned off, and pack the defence with pace. But the fool wants to make up for having average defenders with more f***ing average defenders. Conner Gallagher is just there because he can't call up Mount. He loves to plays 8's as 10 because he has no faith in the defense. But still plays defensive football. This why England won't win anything with him as manager. Gallagher is a very hardworking 8 that has good technique, and is fairly athletic. He isn't a winger, or a 10. But can do a job at 10. He isn't worth 40 million to us. He is a faster, but weaker John McGinn. Every team needs one. But not 2. I love McGinn but he wouldn't get in my preferred 11 if everyone is fit. But he'd always be the first man in the team if any of our 5 between the defense and striker are out. So for me Gallagher would be in the same boat. Also he doesn't want to leave Chelsea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 2 VT Supporter Share Posted June 2 Can't believe people are trying to use Southgates opinion as a barometer of a players quality. I've read it all now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 21 hours ago, Adam2003 said: Is this bit a joke? They’d both be in and starting this summer if they were fit. Anyway - that’s an aside as I wasn’t the one who said he’s only in the squad because he plays for Chelsea - in fact I totally disagree with that, he’s in because there are basically no other credible options. In central midfield he’s hoping to get in ahead of maybe Lewis Cook and Adam Wharton (and Jordan Henderson and Kalvin Phillips who have been binned off) - so I think if he was that good he’d definitely have established himself more. He’s currently probably behind Kobbie Mainoo in the pecking order whose whole career has been six OK months. England are still a good team but the CM options are pretty pathetic at the moment unfortunately - that and left back is what will cost us this summer (well, and Southgate). None of this relevant really as to whether he would be a good signing or not, but I don’t think we should delude ourselves about his level or the level needed to play CM for England right now! They were comfortably outclassed by our own Youri Tielemans in the last break. No they wouldn't. Shaw is first choice for England at LB by a long way. Chilwell was hopeless in the March games so credit to Southgate for seeing that and cutting him out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 7 hours ago, VillaChris said: No they wouldn't. Shaw is first choice for England at LB by a long way. Chilwell was hopeless in the March games so credit to Southgate for seeing that and cutting him out. Oh absolutely Shaw is first choice. But Chilwell has been left out because of injury. Proof of that is the exact games you mentioned - Southgate started him in those when he’d been out for weeks, Pochettino was furious. Anyway it’s all off topic, fact is there apparently isn’t a fit left back of England standard in the country! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 14 hours ago, Adam2003 said: Oh absolutely Shaw is first choice. But Chilwell has been left out because of injury. Proof of that is the exact games you mentioned - Southgate started him in those when he’d been out for weeks, Pochettino was furious. Anyway it’s all off topic, fact is there apparently isn’t a fit left back of England standard in the country! Yeah I was gonna say, Chilwell would certainly be going if he was fit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 This has digressed a bit. I have a feeling thar Gallagher may not start for England and Mainoo will. Looked very good against Belgium and motm in the FA CUP final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 Can't we just sign him on a free in 12 months? Barkley as a stop gap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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