New Aston Villa Stadium Chat

[thabucks]

Shame so much land is taken over by large logistics warehouses around Fort Dunlop and the like… 

Also as I’ve said before hypothetically if we were to move to a new stadium, aesthetically I’d like us to use the Lucas Oil stadium as a blueprint. It has a connected lower bowl but then also the 4 separate stand identity with a red brick exterior. 

Edited February 21 by thabucks

[meregreen]

2 hours ago, villa89 said:

It will cost much more than that by the time it's completed. You are also not factoring in construction price inflation. Realistically to buy a suitable site & build a 60K seater stadium in or around birmingham then you would need ~£1.5 - £2 billion budget. The sale of Villa park probably isn't going to generate much income either in the grand scheme of things. You'd need owners willing to spend £500m on it on the assumption they would probably never see a return on that money. 

So a new stadium in Birmingham would in your opinion cost double what a fabulous state of the art stadium in North London cost. Unless you can back that up with actual costings, then I think your miles off mark.

[TDR V2]

38 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said:

F*** it then, seriously, build a new stadium. 

I've long said that we need to be THE team in Birmingham. I doubt such a site exists, but how good would it be if any set of fans can get to New St, Snow Hill, Moor St. etc and just walk to the ground? I'm sure the BHX line runs into one of them stations too. 

You already can walk from those stations, longish walk but it's doable. Wouldn't fancy it in the dark though

[maqroll]

I know many people are against building a new stadium to another part of Birmingham. But it wouldn't be the worst outcome.

In the States, we've had teams uproot entirely. The most famous case is probably the Brooklyn Dodgers moving to Los Angeles, followed by the Giants to San Francisco. Devastating to their fans and communities. 

In gridiron, the Colts literally left Baltimore under cover of darkness to move, unannounced, to Indianapolis. The Colts were a true community football club. The fans deserved so much better.

Many other instances in all our top team sports of teams moving to another state.

So Villa moving to another part of the same city isn't a disaster, IMO. But I'm not from Birmingham, so my perspective isn't shaped by a deep connection to Aston. I love Villa Park, I've been to Villa Park, and of course it would be really sad to see it potentially bulldozed. 

But imagine if Villa just moved to Newcastle and changed their name to "Villa Northeast".

What I hope the club does is stay at VP and do a thorough redevelopment. But it wouldn't surprise me if they have a long term view on a new ground somewhere in Birmingham.

[MrBlack]

1 hour ago, meregreen said:

So a new stadium in Birmingham would in your opinion cost double what a fabulous state of the art stadium in North London cost. Unless you can back that up with actual costings, then I think your miles off mark.

The point was that construction inflation since the spurs build has been insane. The company doing the work would probably have to be the same company as the one that did the spurs stadium. And we would have to buy some land we don't already own, which spurs didn't.

It's a fairly simple guarantee that it would cost more than it cost them.

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

42 minutes ago, maqroll said:

I know many people are against building a new stadium to another part of Birmingham. But it wouldn't be the worst outcome.

In the States, we've had teams uproot entirely. The most famous case is probably the Brooklyn Dodgers moving to Los Angeles, followed by the Giants to San Francisco. Devastating to their fans and communities. 

In gridiron, the Colts literally left Baltimore under cover of darkness to move, unannounced, to Indianapolis. The Colts were a true community football club. The fans deserved so much better.

Many other instances in all our top team sports of teams moving to another state.

So Villa moving to another part of the same city isn't a disaster, IMO. But I'm not from Birmingham, so my perspective isn't shaped by a deep connection to Aston. I love Villa Park, I've been to Villa Park, and of course it would be really sad to see it potentially bulldozed. 

But imagine if Villa just moved to Newcastle and changed their name to "Villa Northeast".

What I hope the club does is stay at VP and do a thorough redevelopment. But it wouldn't surprise me if they have a long term view on a new ground somewhere in Birmingham.

I'm all in for the " Merseyside Clarets " or " London Pinstripes "!. West Midlands Village is outdated.

[MaVilla]

if the owners really want to splash the cash, i would just build a new stadium tbh.

a modern, top notch stadium, with a whole massive area outside for bars, restaurants, shops, kiosks, burger trucks, etc etc, like a self-contained Village..........Villa Village

somewhere where ppl can just go and spend time and money both during the week, and match days, to really bump revenues.

 

[TRO]

I also wonder, what the future holds, when the local residents, start campaigning for the stadium to be moved....Its not happening now, but it could.

Its not like years gone by, where the fans walked back to their dwellings. The locals are not interested in football, its just a interruption to their Saturday or Sunday.

Many fans are out in the sticks, and not in Urban Birmingham...so travelling is such a huge issue.....There are so many pointers, that suggest a new stadium, has its merits.

I wouldn't be surprised, if an argument does ensue, in the future,  where the council are lobbied, by the majority of residents, who are not interested in Aston Villa.

My point is.....when a crossroads appears in our History, maybe a rethink is on the cards.

Maybe closer to BMH would be prudent.

[thabucks]

Real Madrid’s renovation of the Bernabeu is the standard bearer of a multi use stadium with its retractable pitch & roof. Concerts can held all year round, trade shows, boxing etc etc etc. events which will bypass Birmingham if it’s not careful considering Manchester will have two x20k indoor arenas, The Ethihad and poss new Old Trafford. London is London.

Birmingham needs to keep up or will get lost. The economic benefits to Birmingham having a world class stadium near the city centre drawing events in all year round would be worth millions extra to the local economy… If we don’t act that lot down the road might and get not only the councils backing but also government with its levelling up fund. 

Manchester will become England’s second city if this goes ahead - with government backing… 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68361025

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Ratcliffe spoke about the potential for the new stadium to host England games and FA Cup semi-finals, both of which are played at Wembley in London, as well as the Champions League final.

He said there was "significant bias in terms of major investments being in the south".

Speaking about building a new stadium, he said: "Trafford Park is where the industrial revolution began. If you look at that region of Manchester today - only a mile from the centre - it is tired and neglected and parts are quite run down.

"There is quite a big argument, in my view, for regenerating that whole south side of Manchester. The nucleus of it would be building a new world-class state-of-the-art stadium which could take England games, the FA Cup final, Champions League finals. It could serve the north of England.

When asked if public funding would be used, he added: "I think, as part of a regeneration project, there has to be a conversation with the national government. 

"The north deserves some thought as well as the south, I think, if it is a national stadium."

 

Edited February 21 by thabucks

[mikeyp102]

1 hour ago, TRO said:

 

Maybe closer to BMH would be prudent.

Surely we’d need it closer to city centre not further away. Where it would be even harder to get there, with less transport links 

[sharkyvilla]

I was thinking perhaps we could take over the Alexander Stadium site, then build an equivalent-sized athletics venue where Villa Park is.  There must have been a lot of infrastructure work done for the Commonwealth Games and lots of room to build a 50k-60k stadium there.  Buy the land off the council (I assume they own it?), sell VP at a discount in return.

[OutByEaster?]

If Man Utd get public funding to rebuild Old Trafford it'll be a national disgrace.

For us, the arguments for moving toward the City Centre for transport benefits exist, with a network of roads already going there, but land is hugely expensive and those roads are already a mess. The arguments for moving further away are also there, more space, the opportunity for better parking, it might be easier to find the space then build the roads, than it is to have the roads and find the space.

None of which matters anyway, we're not going to be moving in the foreseeable future and we're not likely to be doing anything to redevelop Villa Park until at least 2030, by which time your ownership might well have changed.

[OutByEaster?]

3 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said:

I was thinking perhaps we could take over the Alexander Stadium site, then build an equivalent-sized athletics venue where Villa Park is.  There must have been a lot of infrastructure work done for the Commonwealth Games and lots of room to build a 50k-60k stadium there.  Buy the land off the council (I assume they own it?), sell VP at a discount in return.

The road access is worse. Further from train stations, further from motorway junctions, I don't think it would be viable.

[MapleVilla]

1 hour ago, TRO said:

I also wonder, what the future holds, when the local residents, start campaigning for the stadium to be moved....Its not happening now, but it could.

Its not like years gone by, where the fans walked back to their dwellings. The locals are not interested in football, its just a interruption to their Saturday or Sunday.

Many fans are out in the sticks, and not in Urban Birmingham...so travelling is such a huge issue.....There are so many pointers, that suggest a new stadium, has its merits.

I wouldn't be surprised, if an argument does ensue, in the future,  where the council are lobbied, by the majority of residents, who are not interested in Aston Villa.

My point is.....when a crossroads appears in our History, maybe a rethink is on the cards.

Maybe closer to BMH would be prudent.

That was my thinking when people talk about a whole new stadium, rather than modifying the current one. Put a HS2 stop nearby at Bodymoor and a big car park and it'll be like an NFL stadium!!

[Villa_Vids]

4 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

If Man Utd get public funding to rebuild Old Trafford it'll be a national disgrace.

For us, there arguments for moving toward the City Centre for transport benefits exist, with a network of roads already going there, but land is hugely expensive and those roads are already a mess. The arguments for moving further away are also there, more space, the opportunity for better parking, it might be easier to find the space then build the roads, than it is to have the roads and find the space.

None of which matters anyway, we're not going to be moving in the foreseeable future and we're not likely to be doing anything to redevelop Villa Park until at least 2030, by which time your ownership might well have changed.

That suggests we will most likely be considering moving stadium.

[thabucks]

3 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

If Man Utd get public funding to rebuild Old Trafford it'll be a national disgrace.

For us, there arguments for moving toward the City Centre for transport benefits exist, with a network of roads already going there, but land is hugely expensive and those roads are already a mess. The arguments for moving further away are also there, more space, the opportunity for better parking, it might be easier to find the space then build the roads, than it is to have the roads and find the space.

None of which matters anyway, we're not going to be moving in the foreseeable future and we're not likely to be doing anything to redevelop Villa Park until at least 2030, by which time your ownership might well have changed.

The government money would surely be to revitalise the surrounding area making it a more attractive option to build a new stadium to banks and institutions to loan the money with the stadium being the catalyst and central focal point for massive regeneration.

We would need to build near the HS2 line so people utilise public transport and park at the NEC for example and not rely on roads to get to and from. 

[WallisFrizz]

24 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said:

I was thinking perhaps we could take over the Alexander Stadium site, then build an equivalent-sized athletics venue where Villa Park is.  There must have been a lot of infrastructure work done for the Commonwealth Games and lots of room to build a 50k-60k stadium there.  Buy the land off the council (I assume they own it?), sell VP at a discount in return.

Much of the infrastructure was temporary. Spectators were shuttle bussed in. There’s is even less parking near there and only one small train station. Not saying it is impossible but I’m not convinced it would be a good location for a 50k stadium or at least not significantly better than where we are now.

[wishywashy]

38 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said:

I was thinking perhaps we could take over the Alexander Stadium site, then build an equivalent-sized athletics venue where Villa Park is.  There must have been a lot of infrastructure work done for the Commonwealth Games and lots of room to build a 50k-60k stadium there.  Buy the land off the council (I assume they own it?), sell VP at a discount in return.

There were rumours a while ago that were looking at the Alexander Stadium to host the games for the women's team, but nothing came of it and we (a bit surprisingly imo) extended the Bescot lease. I think a rugby team plays there now.

Edited February 21 by wishywashy

[OutByEaster?]

30 minutes ago, Villa_Vids said:

That suggests we will most likely be considering moving stadium.

I would be very surprised if that's the case. The club have stated it's not something they are considering and have further stated that they never see us leaving Villa Park. 

It's increasingly odd to me that the club backed out of plans to develop a single stand on the basis that they were too ambitious and the fanbase have taken that disappointment to mean not ambitious enough. The reaction borders on the peculiar.

"We're not buying a new Ford Focus this year, the old one is perfectly suitable for the driving we're doing".

"Wait, you mean....we're buying a Ferrari?"

 

[thabucks]

6 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

I would be very surprised if that's the case. The club have stated it's not something they are considering and have further stated that they never see us leaving Villa Park. 

Brian little famously said he wasn’t going to leave Leicester to manage Villa only to join a day or two later … Who knows what’s being discussed behind closed doors & corridors of power. NSWE looked at moving reportedly when they first purchased the club and maybe it is something with our new partners whose parent company specialise in the field may look at again.