Summer Transfer Window (2024/25)

[Philosopher]

9 minutes ago, M_Afro said:

Didn’t we just receive £19m for Kellyman? Both of these players are worth more than Omari. 

We didn't want to sell Kellyman. He was happy here. We sold due to PSR. He had 3 years left on his deal. He is very highly thought of and was part of our first team squad since the start of last season. It was the bad hamstring injury why we didn't see a lot of him. Kellyman is a big loss, he a HUGE talent.

[paul514]

1 hour ago, Jas10 said:

 

bit meh, passing is crappy

[MrBlack]

28 minutes ago, Philosopher said:

Sorry but Iling-Jr only had a year left on his deal. Chukwuemeka for example was 20m with a year on his deal. But he had just been the best player in the under 20's European championships. He had premier league appearances. And was far more highly thought of than Iling-Jr is now. Iling-Jr also wanted to return to England. Also Chelsea were overpaying for players very heavily at the time. 13m is a fair valuation for him. He was being quoted at 20m when he had 2 years on his deal. He was going to leave on a free next summer if he stayed and Juve knew that.

Barrenechea isn't like Iling-Jr, or Kellyman, or Chukwuemeka. Enzo was never thought of in the regard of the players just mentioned. He has never even played for his countries u21's u20's, u19's or any other youth level. He did well (not outstanding) at Frosinine, his performances improved as the season went on. But it's a huge jump to the premier league, and then another huge jump to the top 4! 10m absolute tops for him. Remember more defensive players always have lower values anyway. So you can compare him with Iling-Jr or Kellyman.

34m No way. 25m is a very fair valuation.

They rejected an offer of 20m for iling jr in January. He also played 27 timws for them this season (in a team that finished 3rd) and played better than he had ever done before.  The year left lowers his value slightly, but he's defintely in the 20m ball park.

Barrenchea was the very definition of outstanding at frosinoe. In a team that were rubbish, he shone. The potential shown was far higher than Tim showed for Villa, and he was sold for 9m, so Enzo is easily worth  more. Incidentally Tim was sold below value purely due to the way we structured the deal with Everton to get Dobbin, so Tim probably valued at £15m in open market, Enzo slightly more.

[gaz90]

38 minutes ago, Philosopher said:

Iling-Jr had 1 year left on his contract. Barrenechea has only 1 season's experience in serie A at a team that got relegated. They may have good potential, but they're not 34m pounds worth of players.  To me 25m is about right.

Well I'm glad you cleared things up on that one

[Philosopher]

The Luiz transfer situation is plain as day.

We knew 5 months ago PSR was a problem.

We knew the only realistic way of not falling foul of PSR was the sell an important asset.

Martinez - irreplaceable.

Watkins - irreplaceable.

McGinn - 29 not easy to shift for the money required.

Kamara - Injured.

The left only 3 options. Luiz, Bailey, and Ramsey.

Ramsey's value has deprecated due to his injury ravaged season. Plus he is the only Villa trained member of the first team squad that plays regularly. Otherwise we'll only be able to name a 21 man squad for the champions league.

Bailey or Luiz. Both have similar valuations. Take Bailey out and our attack was far less effective. Take Luiz out and we have Tielemens. Also DLP's are cheaper to pick up than pacy right wingers.

So Luiz it is. 

We should be able to get 60 to 70 million, but due to the need to sell before June 30 most teams interested are ruled out due to needing to wait till after June 30th. This put us in a weak negotiating position. Had we not been hamstrung by PSR we could have got 60m easily. 

We have been forced to sell Luiz for less than he is worth because of our financial predicament. That is a FACT. This deal favours Juventus, not us. 

We can try to kid ourselves but it's pointless. Iling-Jr and Barrenechea aren't top prospects, but they have proven themselves to be very coachable. With Unai we should be able to develop them to the point where we make a profit on them or get some decent service out of them. So we should be able to get more out of the deal. But this is still a gamble.

The straight 42.5 million cash is a huge steal for Juve. Iling-Jr and Barrenechea give us a chance to make more than the 42.5m, but they also mean we can end up with less than 42.5m.

This is the FACT. 

Now I must point out this is far better than selling one of our best assets to the club we pipped for 4th place, even when taking into account the cheap price he's been sold for.

Spurs will never get Ramsey on the cheap from us. In fact they won't get him period!

[Philosopher]

1 minute ago, MrBlack said:

They rejected an offer of 20m for iling jr in January. He also played 27 timws for them this season (in a team that finished 3rd) and played better than he had ever done before.  The year left lowers his value slightly, but he's defintely in the 20m ball park.

Barrenchea was the very definition of outstanding at frosinoe. In a team that were rubbish, he shone. The potential shown was far higher than Tim showed for Villa, and he was sold for 9m, so Enzo is easily worth  more. Incidentally Tim was sold below value purely due to the way we structured the deal with Everton to get Dobbin, so Tim probably valued at £15m in open market, Enzo slightly more.

January is a time for inflated prices, everyone knows that. 1 year left easily knocks 30% to 50% off a players value.  Who offered 20m in Jan. Concrete, not speculation! Speculation is bull!

[PaulMcGrath_5]

[thabucks]

See more no doubt just  regurgitated click bait that we’re interested in Brajan Gruda from Mainz. German youth international. Him & Beier would do nicely. (Though unrealistic) 

Also wonder if we will go for either Ruiz or Vitinha from PSG whose stock pile of players is ridiculous. 

Edited Wednesday at 19:55 by thabucks

[KevinRichardsonsMoustache]

10 hours ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said:

Sometimes when a poster posts a gif, I like to imagine it is really them. Following this logic @PaulMcGrath_5, you need to know that I find you suddenly exceedingly attractive. 

 

Edited Thursday at 06:25 by KevinRichardsonsMoustache

[mykeyb]

6 hours ago, Philosopher said:

This is just silly. 20% of 60m is 12m, which equals 48m. 20% of 40m is 8m, which equals 32m. I don’t know about you but I'd prefer the 48m

Thank god someone else can do maths. There is no logic to us reducing the value of Dougie so we pay MCFC less money. Anyway didn’t we sought that out at the time Dougie signed his new contract?

[Herman22]

Good thread that on PSR and spending this summer! 

 

[Pongo Waring]

We need quality and we need it now

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

15 minutes ago, Herman22 said:

Good thread that on PSR and spending this summer! 

 

Long story short, we can spend as we please, as long as we have contingency plans to make up the losses in the following financial years.

Positive is that we are collecting more and more assets.of value as we progress.

We will have some very good players who will probably attract high value but still be surplus to requirements for us etc 

I fully expect us to be smart though and not go on any silly " splurge ".

Edited Wednesday at 21:49 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

22 minutes ago, VillanousOne said:

By this logic can we get Gresford back from City for a similar fee?

I'm sure he'll agree to the halving or thirding of his 300,000 per week wages under the " My City, My Club " clause of 2021.

[Awol]

Just now, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

I'm sure he'll agree to the halving or thirding of his 300,000 per week wages under the " Man City, My Club " clause of 2021.

FTFY

[Jas10]

 

[Jas10]

 

[TreeVillan]

1 hour ago, Pongo Waring said:

We need quality and we need it now

Worried we're gonna get smashed by Walsall?

[skarroki]

10 hours ago, MaVilla said:

 

 

dont take this the wrong way, but not all responses need an insightful and well thought out response, clearly nuts and/or crackpot ideas falls in to that bracket i think

Not sure why me saying I don't want it to happen but would be curious how Dele would get on with a manager like Emery falls under the bracket "crackpot idea" 

[Jas10]

Could we see another signing or two before this? I kind of expect it within the next couple weeks (around our first preseason friendly game).